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Brother Rando

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ

Thus says יהוה the king of Israel, and its redeemer, יהוה of hosts: “I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no אלהים besides me. And who is like me? Let him proclaim it! And let him declare it and set it in order for me since I established an eternal people and things that are to come, and let them tell them the things that are coming. You must not tremble, and you must not be paralyzed with fear. Have I not made you hear from of old and declared it, and you are my witnesses? Is there a אלהים besides me? And there is no rock! I know none!” All those who form an idol are nothing, and their delightful things do not profit. And their witnesses do not see or know, so they will be ashamed.

Again there is no "WE" in these Scriptures as you lying proclaim.

 "though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered." (Hebrews 5:8)

If Jesus was the three created voices then that scripture would be rendered in the plural sense.

• though they were Sons, yet they learned obedience by the things which they suffered

This proves when you speak, you speak a lie, just like your father, whose is the father of the lie....

You claim Jesus Christ was lying when he stated to His Father, you are the Only True God in John 17:3 but who is the liar but the one who denies the Christ --- even in your call sign you deny the Christ are you now claiming that there are many Christs?? The Greek "superlative title" ton theon as Jesus Christ applied ton theon to his Father and God and that HIS FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD.

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ has failed to show one single scripture that Jesus Christ is ton theon - he claims another gospel of Jesus denying Christ - not once has he admitted that Matthew 16:16 is true. Matter of fact, the trinity doctrine itself is void of Matthew 16:16 because it is part of the Anti-Christ. Triad and the Greek Word for trinity is NEVER found in any of the Scriptures ever. Not one single scripture exists. How can God who is Eternal be a feminine genitive as trinitarians claim?

Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus August 28 ?> How does the singular יהוה name in Matthew 28:19 having three aspects relate to Isaiah 44:6-9 ?

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus August 28 Isaiah 44:6-9 LEB (with Hebrew words יהוה for Yahweh & אלהים for god) =>

Thus says יהוה the king of Israel, and its redeemer, יהוה of hosts: “I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no אלהים besides me. And who is like me? Let him proclaim it! And let him declare it and set it in order for me since I established an eternal people and things that are to come, and let them tell them the things that are coming. You must not tremble, and you must not be paralyzed with fear. Have I not made you hear from of old and declared it, and you are my witnesses? Is there a אלהים besides me? And there is no rock! I know none!” All those who form an idol are nothing, and their delightful things do not profit. And their witnesses do not see or know, so they will be ashamed.

@Brother Rando August 29 Again there is no "WE" in these Scriptures as you lying proclaim.

Can you answer @Brother Rando how both "יהוה the king of Israel" AND "its redeemer, יהוה of hosts" => "I am the first, and I am the last" (1st person singulat pronoun)

My eyes see two subjects speaking using a singular unified pronoun "I" (with "יהוה the king of Israel" = Father AND "its redeemer, יהוה of hosts" => Son)

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus August 28 ?> What did יהוה Jesus The Christ say about His personal identity ?

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus August 28 Revelation 22:12-16 LEB =>

“Behold, I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me, to repay each one according to what his deeds are! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” 

Blessed are the ones who wash their robes, so that their authority will be over the tree of life and they may enter into the city through the gates. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral people and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and who practices falsehood. 

“I, Jesus, sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.” 

 W. Hall Harris III et al., eds., The Lexham English Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012), Re 22:12–16.

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus August 28 ?> Who is eternally "the first and the last" (consistent with Isaiah 44:6) ?

Can you answer @Brother Rando how Jesus could truthfully be " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last" without being an eternal voice in One plural unified God ?

@Brother Rando August 29 If Jesus was the three created voices then  ...

My eyes see @Brother Rando embedding personal belief about Jesus being created, which is false. Also the Holy human body of Jesus had one voice so @Brother Rando assertion of "three ... voices" is also false. Hence @Brother Rando "rationale" that follows is simply irrelevant.

@Brother Rando August 29 @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ has failed to show one single scripture that Jesus Christ is ton theon -

My eyes see Christ Michael the Archangel. My faith believes Jesus The Christ is one eternal voice in τὸν θεόν The Most High God with Father & Ruach HaKodesh being the other eternal voices.

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus January 2023 Question remains: Did τὸν θεόν The Most High God make a mistake in this spoken command to followers of יֵשׁוּעַ Jesus:

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus January 2023 πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεόν, καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ πιστεύετε (John 14:1 Greek spoken by יֵשׁוּעַ ) ?

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus January 2023 Be Ye Believing in The אלהים God, also in Me Be Ye Believing

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus January 2023 Why did τὸν θεόν The Most High God command followers of יֵשׁוּעַ Jesus to Be Believing in יֵשׁוּעַ Jesus the same as Be Believing in τὸν θεόν The Most High God ?

Can you answer @Brother Rando why you do NOT believe in  יהוה Jesus The Christ the same as τὸν θεόν The Most High God ?

@Brother Rando August 29 - not once has he admitted that Matthew 16:16 is true.

To me, @Brother Rando does NOT believe my "literally true" assertion posted many months ago:

@Brother Rando October 26 * Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. (Matthew 16:16

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus October 27, 2022 My faith believes Jesus (יהוה Salvation) is the Christ, the Son of the living God, who miraculously has a spiritual portion of one unique Holy יהוה Lord אלהים God inside a Holy human body (so my faith simply believes the Son of the living אלהים God is literally true).

To me, @Brother Rando lie about me again sadly shows @Brother Rando alignment with our spiritual adversary, the father of lies. To me, @Brother Rando & our spiritual adversary hate @Brother Rando so they want to keep @Brother Rando deceived from experiencing the immense & intense ❤️ Love of Holy יהוה אלהים

If you @Brother Rando want to truly experience יהוה Jesus The Christ, then 🙏 prayerfully ask יהוה Jesus The Christ (not Michael the Archangel).

🙏 My prayers include Holy יהוה אלהים allowing @Brother Rando posters to simply see the spiritual being(s) currently worshipped by @Brother Rando along with encountering Holy Righteous King יהוה Jesus The Christ.

Please 🙏 prayerfully consider what the Memorial of Christ's Death would mean if the spiritual nature inside the Holy Christ body was truly "God with us", an eternal voice in Holy יהוה אלהים whose ❤️ Loving choice was offering a created human body as the sacrifice for all human sin, doing the will of יהוה Father. All of Holy יהוה אלהים experienced the intense agony of יהוה Jesus The Christ body being brutally put to death. My faith belief rejoices that all of Holy יהוה אלהים resurrected the body of יהוה Jesus The Christ 😍 Thankfully my simple agreement with Holy יהוה אלהים about my sins with my forgiveness request instantly received Holy יהוה אלהים forgiveness => wonderful reason to Keep Smiling 4 Jesus 😍 (as Phillipians 4:4-8 renewed my friendship with Holy יהוה אלהים)

Thankful for my slow progress toward Becoming Holy as Holy יהוה אלהים 😍🙏 that enjoys awareness of Holy יהוה אלהים hand upon the back of my neck (when my choices are being Holy) & desires @Brother Rando, et al, to experience the immense & intense ❤️ Love of Holy יהוה אלהים

Keep Smiling 😊

Brother Rando

@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus Christ August 28 Isaiah 44:6-9 LEB (with Hebrew words יהוה for Yahweh & אלהים for god) =>

Thus says יהוה the king of Israel, and its redeemer, יהוה of hosts: “I am the first, and I am the last, and there is no אלהים besides me. And who is like me? Let him proclaim it! And let him declare it and set it in order for me since I established an eternal people and things that are to come, and let them tell them the things that are coming. You must not tremble, and you must not be paralyzed with fear. Have I not made you hear from of old and declared it, and you are my witnesses? Is there a אלהים besides me? And there is no rock! I know none!” All those who form an idol are nothing, and their delightful things do not profit. And their witnesses do not see or know, so they will be ashamed.

This scripture does not aligned with any of your lies about a multitude of gods being the singular pronoun (I).

• You claim god is made of of "we"
• You also claim that god is made up of a multitude of gods being 'our'.
• The scripture clearly states the opposite of your lies by stating "you are MY witnesses" MY is SINGULAR.

Since it is Jehovah is speaking about a people that are HIS WINTESSES = Jehovah's Witnesses.

Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Christians? Jehovah’s Witnesses are baptized in the Name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19. We offer our prayers in Jesus’ name.—John 15:16.  

• 35  You yourselves have been shown these things so you will know that Jehovah is the true God; there is no other besides him.
• Notice Jehovah is the true God in Singular and there is No other besides (him) in Singular.

How does Google translate Holy יהוה אלהים ?

KerimF

Jesus was 'Son of Heaven' and 'Son of Man' at the same time. These two previous expressions are equivalent to 'Son of God ' and 'Son of David' respectively.

I used to wonder why many people around the world had to misunderstand the expression “Son of God”.

If someone introduces himself as ‘son of desert’, do we hear him say that ‘desert’ is his father or mother?

If a kid is called ‘son of sin’, do we hear that ‘sin’ has to be his father or mother?

Fortunately, the world knows in advance the meanings of ‘desert’ and ‘sin’, so no one complained that 'son of desert' and 'son of sin' are nonsense expressions for saying that desert and sin could be parents of some humans.

So, it was natural that when someone has no idea, at all, to what the word 'God', as revealed by Jesus, is referring, he has no choice but to see the word 'God' in 'Son of God', as referring to a genetically father of Jesus. So, I understand when Muslims are supposed to say: "Our Allah doesn't breed like Christians say". But I didn't hear them say too... no one can be 'son of desert' because 'desert' doesn't breed, or no one can be 'son of evil' because evil doesn't breed, though these two expressions are also used on books (Arabic or else).

Brother Rando

@KerimF - These two previous expressions are equivalent to 'Son of God ' and 'Son of David' respectively.

I used to wonder why many people around the world had to misunderstand the expression “Son of God”.

@Brother Rando - That's an interesting take. Let's put your hypothesis to the test. The "Son of God" is not the Son of God but God himself? The Son of David is not the Son of David but David himself?

• That would be a good argument against the trinity hypothesis. To claim the Son of God is not the Son of God then the existence of the Son of God would be totally mute. In that case, I could see why some people do not believe that God exist.
• To claim the Son of David is not the Son of David, then just like the teaching that the Son of God is not the Son of David would cancel out and be non-existent.
• This would void the Bible altogether. No Son of God would mean there is No God and No Son of David would mean there is No David.

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah. Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good.” (Psalm 14:1)

• Reasoning on this flawed teaching would mean the Son of God is God and the Son of David is David? I think we both know that David is not God.
• Doesn't it make more sense that the Son is what the Bible states? Wouldn't that mean Jesus Christ is the offspring or heir of His Father?
• Jesus Christ stated, "But those cultivators said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’" (Mark 12:7)

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

Are you starting to see the Father/Son relationship? If Jesus is God, then Jesus could not claim 'the Father is Greater than I am'. (John 14:28)

Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1:9)

KerimF

@Brother Rando The "Son of God" is not the Son of God but God himself? The Son of David is not the Son of David but David himself?

@KerimF I am afraid that as long one has to see God as Allah of Islam, the expression 'Son of God' has to be nonsense to him.

If one is known as ‘son of America’, this tells us that this person used to live in America and somehow he represents life in it. The same applies on ‘son of desert’. In other words, ‘son of America’ means that he came from America and the ‘son of desert’ came from a desert. It is as simple as this.

Therefore, only if one knows that the word ‘God’ refers to the One Will/Power (not of a unique being) that created the universe, the expression ‘Son of God’ means to him that Jesus came directly from that One Creative Will/Power and have, therefore, all-knowledge about life, as designed (being the source of the ‘Light of Knowledge’).

Also, David was a man, so we can call him a ‘son of man’, as Jesus on earth was also a ‘son of man’ besides being ‘Son of God’.

The origin of confusion is that the notion of the “unconditional love towards all others, good and evil, which is the basis/essence of Jesus’ message” cannot be found in any preprogrammed instruction in the human’s instincts. And it is natural for someone who is guided ‘solely’ by his preprogrammed instincts; as of survival, superiority, selfishness and of applying justice on others (to name a few) to see his Creator as Allah of Islam (which is actually an Arabic version of Moses’ God by which a smart Mohammad was able to create his social political system that overthrew the previous ruling one after he won the last battles).

I admit that all what I say has to be nonsense for every human who has to see the image of his Creator as of Allah in Islam.

Even the non-existent God to atheists is assumed, in their subconscious, to be like a Supernatural Ruling King as Allah of Islam (whom they refuse to obey).

Anyway, let us remember that Jesus was addressing mostly the Jews in His time. They were expecting a great ruling king who will come to rule the world with them. So, most of them were disappointed for hearing Him talking about the ‘spiritual unifying Love’ (on earth as in Heaven) instead of ‘Power’.

@Brother Rando Are you starting to see the Father/Son relationship? If Jesus is God, then Jesus could not claim 'the Father is Greater than I am'.

@KerimF Even on earth (in the material world), if someone loves and trusts to no limit another person (both are real friends), he doesn’t hesitate to tell his audience that his friend is greater than him. Yes, he never says: “I am greater than my friend”, at best he says: "I and my friend are one”. Obviously, only those who believe in the real friendship understand why he said: “My friend is greater than me”.

You see brother? Relativity (of science) also applies in the spiritual realm. Things are seen always relative to the nature of the observer. And no one can change this fact/truth till the end of time.

This is why I understand and respect others as they are and in what they believe. I never tell someone: “You are wrong” because I know in advance that he has his good reasons (good relative to his nature) to be the way he is. So, I am sorry for not being a good interesting player in a debate show :(

Brother Rando

@KerimF I am afraid that as long one has to see God as Allah of Islam, the expression 'Son of God' has to be nonsense to him.

@Brother Rando - Your responses reminds me of a poster on the CD Forum that has this same style but several different aliases which have all gone silent which is not his MO. His MO are outright and sometime not subtle attacks against Jesus Christ, he tends so have the same style you do omitting Christ in his answers.

Islam doesn't believe Jesus is the 'Son of God'. Neither do trinitarians. Islam believes Jesus to be one of the prophets , a spokesman of God. Allah is not God's Name. Allah is the Arabic title for "God". Therefore in Islam, God and Allah are interchangeable.

@KerimF If one is known as ‘son of America’, this tells us that this person used to live in America and somehow he represents life in it. The same applies on ‘son of desert’. In other words, ‘son of America’ means that he came from America and the ‘son of desert’ came from a desert. It is as simple as this.

@Brother Rando - You're not making any sense. Son of America will still not be America, At least you are starting to SEE some reasoning that "Son of America" is no longer America but that he came from America.

@KerimF @KerimF Even on earth (in the material world), if someone loves and trusts to no limit another person (both are real friends), he doesn’t hesitate to tell his audience that his friend is greater than him. Yes, he never says: “I am greater than my friend”, at best he says: "I and my friend are one”. Obviously, only those who believe in the real friendship understand why he said: “My friend is greater than me”.

@Brother Rando - Yes, I can see this but the problems is, this is not your teaching. You're something altogether different.

Your false claims are as follows:

• Son of God is God (incarnated)
• Son of David is David (incarnated)

@Brother Rando Are you starting to see the Father/Son relationship? If Jesus is God, then Jesus is God (incarnated) and could not claim 'the Father is Greater than I am'.

I don't believe your a Catholic or a Jesuit, such teaching are adversary towards their man made doctrines. Jesuits believe that they are part of the order of the Catholic Organization. Many claim the Pope is the closest man to God. Some even claim the Pope to be God's Prophet. Even a few claim the Pope is the Incarnation of God and the Gargoyles are guards protecting the access to the Vatican.

They are trinitarians but don't mind the mixing of demonic teachings intertwining with one another. Even though the Catholic Church doesn't teach incarnation, the Order of the Jesuits and the Vatican adhere to the demonic teaching that God is a man.

“God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?” (Number 23:19)

• For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the Deceiver and the Antichrist. (2 John 1:7)
• And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. (Rev 18:4)

If you would like to escape with your life. Here is your RSVP.

KerimF

@Brother Rando - Your responses reminds me of a poster on the CD Forum that has this same style.

@KerimF Jesus, my Divine Perfect Teacher (the Living Word of God), was seen by the Honorable Jewish Elders as a liar, and He was humiliated, tortured and crucified for being a liar (relative to their nature). Obviously, a good Jew or a good JW has to also see me a liar.

"If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?"

 

@Brother Rando Islam doesn't believe Jesus is the 'Son of God'. Neither do trinitarians. Islam believes Jesus to be one of the prophets , a spokesman of God. Allah is not God's Name. Allah is the Arabic title for "God". Therefore in Islam, God and Allah are interchangeable.

@KerimF Please correct me if I am wrong. Both Muslims and JWs are supposed to believe that Jesus is one of the prophets. And saying that Jesus is "Son of God" is sort of blasphemy for Muslims (and I hear lately that it is so for JWs too). Also, Jesus of the Gospel didn't exist at all to the radical Jews.

Sorry, whenever Muslims are reminded, anywhere on earth 5 times daily, that it is time for them to pray to Allah, it is out of question to replace the word 'Allah' with any other word. For instance, the word 'god' in Arabic is 'Ilah'. This is why they repeat: "No god but Allah". It means: “among all known gods, only the Arabic one called 'Allah' is true”. And Muslims have to obey Allah's rules written on their Quran ONLY (besides on some other books written after it, said inspired by Allah)

 

@Brother Rando - Yes, I can see this but the problems is, this is not your teaching.

@KerimF I am not teaching. I just tried to give earthly examples on how three factors, as partner (A), partner (B) and contract (S), represent just One Entity, which is their company (C), while doing business with any outsider. Obviously, the company (C) couldn’t exist by (A) only, (B) only or (S) only. Also, two real friends and their unifying friendship (3 factors) are seen by any outsider having One Will only (not two, as it is the case of two persons who don't trust each other).

What could I add to these two clear examples other than what Jesus said to Nicodemus (a ruler of the ancient Jews):

"If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

 

@Brother Rando Are you starting to see the Father/Son relationship? If Jesus is God, then Jesus is God (incarnated) and could not claim 'the Father is Greater than I am'.

@KerimF So we have to call a person a liar if he likes to honor his friend more than himself and say: "My friend is better than I am". Unfortunately, one cannot get this point well if he never had the chance to have a real friend in his life. Have you?

And, as long someone insists that his God is like a needy earthly king looking for obedient slaves to run his kingdom, it is better for him to convert to Islam whose Allah says clearly (at the beginning of Quran): "I created you just to worship me".

 

@Brother Rando I don't believe your a Catholic or a Jesuit.

@KerimF Of course, I am not a Catholic or a Jesuit. I was clear since the beginning that I am just an independent student of Jesus (disciple of Jesus, in English) who, only (via the today’s Gospel), saved me from my 'ignorance' by giving me the logical answers to all crucial questions, I was looking for, about life (starting from the end purpose of my temporary existence on earth).

 

@Brother Rando Many claim the Pope is the closest man to God. Some even claim the Pope to be God's Prophet. Even a few claim the Pope is the Incarnation of God and the Gargoyles are guards protecting the access to the Vatican.

@KerimF To me, Pope at the Vatican (or the like) is just a man, chosen by men, to head a religious ruling system in the name of Jesus. He has the privileges of a rich powerful VIP. The irony is that although Jesus is clear about 'the rich man' {Matthew 19:24}, many millions of Christians try to reach him and get his blessing. Pagans have man-made idols, Jews had holy temples and Muslims have the stony house (kabaa, in which the destroyed ancient idols were) before which they get the blessing of Heaven. And the formal Christians around the world didn't mind having a rich man instead, as Pope or the like!

 

@KerimF For instance, I personally have no master to obey or even to please. I just live the unconditional love towards all others, good and evil, because the kingdom I am looking for is not of this world.

KerimF