What President Trump Have To Hide?
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@GaoLu said:
Another nothing-burger.My guess, Gao Lu, is that your thoughtful reply will be about the best the Trumpster community writ large will come up with in response to the Daily Beast story. That's to be expected, of course, but there's a deeply troubling underbelly to such empty replies: No outrage that we have found yet another significant piece of evidence that the Russian government tried intentionally and successfully to infiltrate and influence an American presidential election.
Most Americans other than the Trumpsters will be outraged by this news. But Trumpster Nation will care only to deflect attention from its leader with one-and-done remarks such as "Another nothing-burger." Was our democracy imperiled? Why, build that wall!! Then start a trade war with China... and a real war with North Korea!! (a warm CD welcome to John Bolton, the president's third - that's right, third! - National Security Adviser)
Fortunately, the Mueller team will not be bothered by Trumpster distractions.
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@Bill_Coley said:
Fortunately, the Mueller team will not be bothered by Trumpster distractions.
Bill,
Why does it seems like some of our friends are in a political stupor when it comes to Mr. Trump and his unorthodox presidency? CM -
Oh Bill! You search like Sherlock for a speck of dust and call it Everest.
Time may tell what all this is. Probably....a speck of dust, or perhaps something a fly left behind. I suggest you don't get so excited about that, but you can if you want.
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@GaoLu said:
Oh Bill! You search like Sherlock for a speck of dust and call it Everest.I applaud your creativity, Gao Lu. Some Trumpsters would have stuck with "nothing-burger" as their best defense against the FBI's identification of Guccifer 2.0 as a Russian intelligence officer. But you have flexibly moved from burgers to dust-cum-tall mountains.
It's true that I can't say your latest response does anything more to lessen the threat to which the new Guccifer 2.0 story contributes than did "nothing-burger," but I do gladly call attention to your creativity.
BTW, a lot of reporting tonight that one of the reasons John Dowd resigned Thursday as head of the president's personal legal team is that he objects to, and can't manage, the president's eagerness to testify to Bob Mueller's team.
PLEASE, no one wake me from this magnificent dream!
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@C_M_ said:
Bill,
Why does it seems like some of our friends are in a political stupor when it comes to Mr. Trump and his unorthodox presidency? CMIn these divisively partisan times, I don't think either "side" of the political divide understands the other, and each - more so, certainly, towards the ends of those two sides - is capable of attributing the other's "mistaken" politics to "political stupor."
Though I employ derisive rhetoric in my partisan ramblings (my use of the term "Trumpsters") I avoid what I consider to be harsher forms such such speech (e.g. the phrase "political stupor") So I say only that I genuinely do not understand how anyone can approve of Donald Trump's character, conduct, or presidency, and I think Trump supporters are best equipped to explain their political leanings, just as we who disapprove of Trump's presidency are best equipped to explain ours....I figure it cuts down on the partisan sniping a wee bit if we allow each other to speak for ourselves instead of characterizing/caricaturing each other.
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Let me add one more for you. It is something a certain kind of person does such as that with which you flood forums. It's called drinking Kool-aid.
Media or party says, "speak! speak!" The obedient, propaganda indoctrinated ones respond, "Kool-aid! Kool-aid" and the media delightfully pours. The obedient slaves dutifully drink. Little do they know (or care--whichever it is) about the accumulation of poison in the Kool-aid.
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@GaoLu said:
Let me add one more for you. It is something a certain kind of person does such as that with which you flood forums. It's called drinking Kool-aid.Media or party says, "speak! speak!" The obedient, propaganda indoctrinated ones respond, "Kool-aid! Kool-aid" and the media delightfully pours. The obedient slaves dutifully drink. Little do they know (or care--whichever it is) about the accumulation of poison in the Kool-aid.
Are you using the Jonestown, Guyana deaths, on 18 November 1978, where 918 people died, to make a political point? I would suspend judgment. Please clarify! CM
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@Bill_Coley said:
Here on Thursday night, after another "craziest day yet" of the Trump administration, there is a major break in the Mueller investigation of the Trump campaign's possible connections with Russia.The Daily Beast reports that Guccifer 2.0, the mysterious online hacker who took and has generally been granted credit for hacking the DNC's emails in 2016, was not, as he and others had claimed, a Romanian lone wolf "hacktivist" who hacked the emails for his personal agenda. Now, according to the Daily Beast, the FBI has determined that Guccifer 2.0 was "an officer of Russia’s military intelligence directorate (GRU)." So when Trump loyalist Roger Stone communicated with Guccifer 2.0 - as Stone acknowledged he did in August 2016 - he communicated with one who the article describes as "an officer of Russia’s largest foreign intelligence agency." [In a blogpost in March of last year, Stone denied ever communicating with Russian intelligence. It's probably because he just didn't know.
]It's a wonder they found the link to the GRU. The article says it happened only because Guccifer 2.0 forgot to turn on his VPN for one of his social media posting sessions. That left the fingerprints of his true IP address, which authorities used to identify his actual location - a GRU office, not a Romanian apartment.
Now, the Daily Beast says, the Mueller team has taken over the Guccifer 2.0 investigation; it's not hard to figure out why. Guccifer 2.0 connects the email hacking directly to the Russian government, AND perhaps, via Roger Stone, to the Trump campaign.
I'll repeat myself from an earlier post: The Mueller team is closing in on Donald Trump and company. The president can feel the heat building. Look for more and more intentional chaos as the president tries to distract from the rising storm clouds.
So they found that a Russian operative likely tricked someone tied to Trump. Yep, still nothing.
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I hadn't thought of that. There is an eerie, horrific, mindless nonsensicalness about both, now that you say it that way. I hadn't seen the relevance so clearly before.
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@GaoLu said:
I hadn't thought of that. There is an eerie, horrific, mindless nonsensicalness about both, now that you say it that way. I hadn't seen the relevance so clearly before.Thanks for the response. I take your statement above as a "mea culpa." Regardless, tell me, GaoLu, what were you trying to say with the original "Kool-aid" statement? CM
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@davidtaylorjr said:
So they found that a Russian operative likely tricked someone tied to Trump. Yep, still nothing.Let's accept your premise, David, that Roger Stone, who communicated with Guccifer 2.0 in August 2016, was duped by a Russian intelligence agent posing as someone other than a Russian. Is it then your view that the other 21 campaign-connected officials listed in THIS REPORT as having been aware of some or all of the campaign's 70 contacts with Russians were ALSO duped, so that they all believed those 70 contacts weren't with Russians, but with people from other countries? Isn't it likely that MOST, if not all, of those 22 Trump campaign people knew the people on the other end of those contacts were Russians?
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I am sorry you don't know what Kool-aid means. I assumed wrongly that you did. In this case, It means that there is something that a certain kind of people has been brain-washed into believing tastes good. They drink deep, all they are fed, daily, even knowing that they are drinking the terrible poison prepared for them that will destroy them. That something, that poison is the awful negative, mindless narrative of "enemies out there!" of "the end is coming!" of immoral, unconscionable politics (by any side). Right now it's "Hate Trump!" and lots of related Kool-aid. You will see Kool-aid served daily by any liberal media, politicians and by a very few on Christian forums by people who claim to be Christian of some sort.
Let me know if you still don't understand.
The evidence of such poison is the pain of such people, clearly miserable, unhappy, lashing out, demanding that others drink their poison.
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@GaoLu said:
The evidence of such poison is the pain of such people, clearly miserable, unhappy, lashing out, demanding that others drink their poison.Thanks for your response. In view of the vast deaths of 1978, Jim Jones Cult, it may be helpful to use another illustration to make your point. These posts are read around the world. It would be nice for CD to display sensitivity to the families of the survivals of those losses in the tragedy, albeit, many years ago. Do you agree? CM
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@C_M_ said:
@GaoLu said:
The evidence of such poison is the pain of such people, clearly miserable, unhappy, lashing out, demanding that others drink their poison.Thanks for your response. In view of the vast deaths of 1978, Jim Jones Cult, it may be helpful to use another illustration to make your point. These posts are read around the world. It would be nice for CD to display sensitivity to the families of the survivals of those losses in the tragedy, albeit, many years ago. Do you agree? CM
Actually, I find the illustration as relevant as millions of other people.
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A million other people don't and I agree with them. However, So be it. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." CM
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Actually, you are the first I have met who ever confused the matter, but that is here nor there unless you would like an award.
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Water is wet, fire is hot, and ice is cold, let's get back to the OP. Thanks, CM
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OK. Do you know what President Trump has to hide?
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What I am wondering, is if the sources are true that the Mueller investigation is going to turn up substantial criminal behavior of Hillary and Obama and others in the Democratic Party. This thing is getting awkward. Perhaps that part of the investigation will be buried, but one source today informs me that it is not. We will see. The report will not necessarily be public. Hoping for justice in America today is not easy. Maybe this investigation does need to go on a little longer.
I wish I could give due credit for the excellent anonymous thoughts below. Well-Worth the long read:
The good news for America is this, The DOJ and Robert Mueller are wrapping up their investigation on Hillary, Obama, and the Clinton Foundation in a few days. I can't wait to read the comments when the crimes of Hillary Clinton and Barrack Hussein Obama come to light. I wonder how those two will adjust to life in the penitentiary? They are now, investigating multiple crimes, like the money that was stolen from the poor Haitian earthquake victims, donations that were received from Kuwait to the Clinton Foundation, and for sure the Uranium One deal. The new evidence is that the Clinton Foundation received over $100 million in donations from Uranium One board members while she was the Secretary of State. She was found to be illegally using the FBI to obtain illegal FISA warrants by lying to the FISA Judges. This was done specifically to spy on the Republicans. And don't forget the phony $12 million dossier that Hillary Clinton bought from the Russians through Fusion in order to suggest that Our President colluded with Putin. All under the watchful eyes of Barack Hussein Obama. The Obama administration and Hillary Clinton along with their cohorts in the Mainstream Media are accusing Our President of what they are actually guilty of! There is also the matter of the nearly $2 billion in cash that was flown over to Iran, money that the Obama administration has admitted is being used for terrorists and to support further subversive activities there.
History will prove the overall blatant criminality of the Obama administration, along with the Clinton's, and many others that were involved with the true Russian Collusion. Hillary, along with several other key players should be charged Federally, with the crimes of espionage and treasonous activities. The Obama administration also owns, and allowed, a deep state cabal of the FBI to fester during his watch, with the criminal deep state actors, such as Comey, McCabe, Tillerson, McMasters, and several other lower-level players colluding against President Trump. Millions of Americans are awake and aware of the levels of criminality this Socialistic/Communist Clinton/Obama Deep State Cartel perpetrated against the American people.
The economy is booming. Jobs are being added at a swift pace. GDP is improving. The stock market is up and down as usual but nonetheless has performed phenomenally. ISIS caliphate has been crushed within 1 year. Manufacturing is returning to the US. The biggest tax reform in America's history. There is so much good that actually matters to everyday Americans, it is almost hard to believe. What exactly is the problem? Is it simply that you hate Our President as a person and your hate is more important than our country's prosperity? The hard working, honest American people do not deserve the childish reaction of liberals, democrats, and establishment republicans who refuse to accept the result of a free and fair election. It is clear to all who chose truth over willful ignorance that the Obama administration used the executive power of the government to spy on a political opponent to install his chosen successor, Hillary Clinton as President. And now, after failing to derail democracy, their soldiers in government, and the media, are trying to subvert the democratically chosen representatives. Democrats, like most authoritarian leaders, speak of freedom and rights all the while oppressing those who oppose them politically. In most dictatorships the government controls the people mostly by controlling the flow of information. In the US we supposedly have a "free" press to inform the American people. It's a shame that the "free" press has now become the tool of the oppressors! Using the media by throwing out the most outrageous propaganda filled with lies, innuendo, hearsay and conjecture. Trying to control what we know, what we don't know, how we know, and what to think about it. What America doesn't deserve is, a biased media who assists in oppressing the people. Real Journalism as we know it, no longer exists in America. May it RIP! God Bless America, and God Bless Our President!
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@GaoLu said:
What I am wondering, is if the sources are true that the Mueller investigation is going to turn up substantial criminal behavior of Hillary and Obama and others in the Democratic Party. This thing is getting awkward. Perhaps that part of the investigation will be buried, but one source today informs me that it is not. We will see. The report will not necessarily be public. Hoping for justice in America today is not easy. Maybe this investigation does need to go on a little longer.I wish I could give due credit for the excellent anonymous thoughts below. Well-Worth the long read:
Please don't. It's a waste of time, on warmed-over Republican talking points. Trump is President, not Clinton, Obama, or Hillary. Get over it! Tell the writer of this article. It's out-dated propaganda. Too sad to repeat. It's a poor effort to distract from Trump's shameful past and the Mueller investigation, closing in. CM
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You sound a little desperate. No need for that. What will be will be. You can be at Peace. Hillary isn't your mother or something.
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@C_M_ said:
Please don't. It's a waste of time, on warmed-over Republican talking points. Trump is President, not Clinton, Obama, or Hillary. Get over it!BUT those mentioned -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and consorts -- are the criminals !! Do you suggest to just let them walk, because they are not in office? What kind of justice do you have in mind?
Since you seem to intend to down-talk others with your expression "warmed -over Republican talking points", are you at least willing to admit that you are hung-up on "cooled-down Democrat story telling" ??
Tell the writer of this article. It's out-dated propaganda. Too sad to repeat. It's a poor effort to distract from Trump's shameful past and the Mueller investigation, closing in.
From an outside perspective, it is quite a "theater show" (almost typical for Hollywood) which is going on in the USA, calling it "an investigation" is sort of an insult to those who try and use terms with their regular meaning.
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@Wolfgang said:
BUT those mentioned -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and consorts -- are the criminals !! Do you suggest to just let them walk, because they are not in office? What kind of justice do you have in mind?Wolfgang, you make a claim for which you provide no - because there IS no - factual basis. I don't find that to be a compelling argument. I respect the fact that you hold strong, passionate convictions about those you believe lead or conspire in "deep states," "neocon takeovers," and "USA/Israel Zionist Empires." But to me, your beliefs come across as headlines in alt-political publications, but ONLY headlines - as in attention-grabbing rhetoric, absent supporting evidence.
There is no factual evidence to support your claims. There are speculation, political bombast, and a host of conspiracy theories, but no factual evidence. The articles to which you often provide links - e.g. P.C. Roberts - traffic in similarly provocative-but-unproven/un-provable commentary.
I respect but disagree with your politics, Wolfgang, as I hope you respect (but disagree) with mine. But I judge assertions of fact by a different, much higher, standard than I do assertions of political conviction. Your claims about Obama et al, though no doubt politically satisfying, are factually wrong. In my view, that matters.
From an outside perspective, it is quite a "theater show" (almost typical for Hollywood) which is going on in the USA, calling it "an investigation" is sort of an insult to those who try and use terms with their regular meaning.
The "investigation" has already shown that crimes were committed. My taken on media reports about the probe is that additional crimes will be alleged/confessed in forthcoming indictments and guilty pleas. In my view, that's justice, not "a theater show."
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@Bill_Coley said:
I judge assertions of fact by a different, much higher, standard than I do assertions of political conviction.You do? What might that much higher standard be?
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@GaoLu said:
@Bill_Coley said:
I judge assertions of fact by a different, much higher, standard than I do assertions of political conviction.You do? What might that much higher standard be?
That you like or dislike the color yellow is a matter of your personal opinion. There's nothing objectively true or false about your opinion of the color yellow. I might disagree with your opinion of the color yellow, but I won't say you're "wrong" about it.
If you assert that yellow is not a color, however, you have asserted a fact - one which I believe is objectively false. Hence, I will ask you to support it with evidence, and when you don't provide it, I will tell you that you didn't provide evidence because you couldn't provide evidence, because your claim was objectively false.
Donald Trump and many of his Trumpsters claimed that three million people illegally cast ballots for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election. That was an assertion of fact, not opinion, so I and many other Trump critics asked that he or his Trumpsters support the claim with evidence. To-date, neither Trump nor his minions have done so... because his assertion of fact was not true.
The "higher standard" is simply that I don't ask people to prove their opinions, but I do ask them to prove their assertions of fact.
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@Bill_Coley said:
The "higher standard" is simply that I don't ask people to prove their opinions, but I do ask them to prove their assertions of fact.Oh. You meant your different "standards" (as you call it) in the sense of your personal preference in how to respond to things people say. I thought you meant something else because you said "higher standard." My mistake.
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On another note, this must be really confusing to Democrats.
Trump just won't behave the way they keep saying he does! He is so uncooperative!
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@GaoLu said:
On another note, this must be really confusing to Democrats.Trump just won't behave the way they keep saying he does! He is so uncooperative!
It's not Democrats who are saying Mr. Trump is "so uncooperative", high-grade lawyers Mr. Trump tried to hired recently are saying the same things.
There are some 16 women, specifically, are saying Mr. Trump "just won't behave." Why is there seem to be an unwillingness to hold Mr. Trump accountable for his behavior and a drive to blame Dems?
"The U.S. will expel 60 Russian intelligence agents working under diplomatic cover in response to the nerve agent attack in Britain..." Is the President doing it out of a moral necessity, fear or just one more move of distractions? CM
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@GaoLu said:
On another note, this must be really confusing to Democrats.Trump just won't behave the way they keep saying he does! He is so uncooperative!
The number of Russian diplomats expelled by the Trump administration DID surprise me until I remembered that the cause for the expulsion was the Kremlin-commanded poisoning of two persons on British soil, and the collateral damage to the health of other persons. That was an outrageous, despicable act for which, among the appropriate punishments, when paired with other Moscow's other poisonings and its intervention in the 2016 American election, was economic sanctions that strike as close to and hard upon Vladimir Putin and his crony oligarchs as possible.
Expelling diplomats is a laudable first step - especially as part of the coordinated international response announced today - but comments from Russian officials in response to the US action suggest the likelihood of an expulsion war in which the Russians send packing as many of our diplomats as we do theirs. Had we struck Putin and his cronies personally, the Russians would not have been able to do the same to us.... Oh, wait. It's Donald Trump. The Russians almost certainly have SOMETHING on him. Why else is it true that our president has NEVER said an accusatory word against Mr. Putin? The Russians COULD return fire in ways from which Trump would almost certainly choose to hide. My guess is THAT'S why we didn't strike at Putin and his cronies.
The other thing that didn't surprise me about today's announcement is that Donald Trump didn't make it. Nor did the president raise the poisoning in his phone call with Mr. Putin last week (I assume he was too focused on congratulating the Russian president on his election victory and trying to convince Vlad to meet with him) Sadly, Mr. Trump's refusal to give his personal voice to America's outrage over the Russian action doesn't surprise me at all.
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The answer to the OP: Could it be simply...
- The truth about himself. This could lead to a plethora of actions, reactions, and lack thereof. CM
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