Mark Anthony Conditt
OK, I know, this is probably not some conspiracy. But for once, I really wonder. Why was he shot by police? Was he really guilty? And the video he made....
Maybe I am just in the denial from the pain.
Wolfgang, do you have a good theory for us?
This is so unimaginable. So sad. I ache for his family, the community and the victims, Yes, @C_M_, this would be a good time to pray.
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GaoLu said: Why was he shot by police? Was he really guilty?
According to the law and the enforcers training, Mark Anthony Conditt was a CLEAR and PRESENT danger to others and to himself. If he was truly shot as reported, this is the reason.
See the article below. Notice some bolded sentences. One may be able to gain some insights or begin to compile a profile of some sort... CM
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Who Is Mark Conditt, the Suspected Austin Serial Bomber?
By MANNY FERNANDEZ, STEPHANIE SAUL and JACK HEALYMARCH 21, 2018
Officials investigating the scene where a man blew himself up in Round Rock, Tex., on Wednesday. Eric Gay/Associated PressPFLUGERVILLE, Tex. — The Austin bombing suspect who blew himself up Wednesday in a confrontation with police was** an intense loner who grew up in a tight-knit, deeply religious family,** according to friends and neighbors.
Mark Conditt, 23, could sometimes get angry over a misunderstanding, remembered Jeremiah Jensen, who knew Mr. Conditt because they were both home-schooled in Pflugerville, a town 20 miles north of Austin.
Mr. Jensen said he was one of a few people who tried to push through Mr. Conditt’s “hard-to-get-along-with” exterior. He said Mr. Conditt was not overtly political when they were growing up, but seemed to like debating issues and probing logical extremes.
“He could be dominant in conversations,” said Mr. Jensen, 24, who now lives in Dallas and had not been in touch with Mr. Conditt frequently for the last four or five years. “It would seem like he was trying to argue with you and give pushback on things you were trying to say. It didn’t have to be serious. He liked to debate.”
On Wednesday, authorities across the Austin area carried out a sprawling search for clues about Mr. Conditt’s actions and motives, as well as other explosive devices he may have left behind before he blew himself up early Wednesday morning as the police closed in.
Chief Brian Manley of the Austin Police Department said that Mr. Conditt had made a 25-minute recording in which he discussed the bombs and how he had made them. The recording, Chief Manley said, was “the outcry of a very challenged young man talking about challenges in his personal life that led him to this point.”
In Pflugerville, authorities swarmed a home where Mr. Conditt had been living with two roommates, a location that Gov. Greg Abbott told reporters could contain a “treasure trove” about the suspect’s motives and methods.
The roommates were detained for questioning, and one had been released by Wednesday afternoon, according to the Austin Police Department.
Investigators also searched the nearby home of Mr. Conditt’s parents, including several backyard sheds on their property, but had not found any explosive devices by Wednesday afternoon. Det. David Fugitt, a homicide detective with the Austin police, told reporters that the Conditt family was cooperating.
“We **don’t have any information to believe that the family had any knowledge **of these events,” Detective Fugitt said. “They’re having a difficult time. This is certainly a shock to the conscience.”
Family friends, neighbors and former classmates were at a loss to explain why Mr. Conditt had carried out the attacks, how he had learned about bomb-making or whether he was driven by racial animus. The first bombs hit members of African-American families who were well known locally, killing a 17-year-old boy and a 39-year-old man. Mr. Conditt was white.
Mr. Conditt grew up as the quiet, socially awkward oldest child of a devout Christian family that held Bible study groups in their white clapboard house, where an American flag hangs from the front porch.
After Mr. Conditt, 23, was identified on Wednesday as the serial bomber who killed two people and terrorized Texas’ capital, Mr. Conditt’s mother sent a text message to a friend, Donna Sebastian Harp. It said: “Pray for our family. We are under attack” — a reference to a spiritual assault.
“It’s a Christian-ese thing we say,” Ms. Harp said. “Pray: the situation is very serious.”
Governor Abbott told the television station KXAN that Mr. Conditt did not have a criminal record, had not served in the military and was unemployed. He said it appeared that Mr. Conditt had acted alone, but authorities had not definitively ruled out whether he had any accomplices.
In 2012, Mr. Conditt** hashed out some of his views on a blog that he created for a political science class** while he was a student at Austin Community College. Jessica Vess, a college spokeswoman, said that Mr. Conditt had attended from 2010 to 2012 as a business administration major.
McKenna McIntosh, who was in the political science class with Mr. Conditt, said that the views on his blog — called Defining My Stance — were as “clear as day.” In an author bio on the site, Mr. Conditt described himself as a conservative but said he was “not that politically inclined.” His six posts, which date from January to March 2012, include arguments in favor of the death penalty, against the legalization of same-sex marriage and in support of the end of sex offender registries.
The blog does not discuss Mr. Conditt’s views on guns or gun control, but Ms. McIntosh said that the topic was often discussed and that she did not recall Mr. Conditt ever advocating violence. She also said she did not recall any class discussions involving Mr. Conditt’s views on race.
In his profile for the blog, Mr. Conditt wrote: “The reasons I am taking this class is because I want to understand the US government, and I hope that it will help me clarify my stance, and then defend it.”
Pamela Crouch, who home-schools her children in Pflugerville and has known the Conditts for several years, said her family attended a Bible study group at the Conditt home in the early 2000s, when both families belonged to a small evangelical church, Grace, that has since shut down.
Ms. Crouch said the church had an economically and racially diverse congregation. She described the family as “lovely people” and said that Mr. Conditt’s mother did some work outside the home as well as** home-school their four children**.
Real estate records show that Mr. Conditt and his father, William Conditt, bought what a neighbor described as a 1950s-era house together in Pflugerville in 2017, and a neighbor and a family friend said the younger Mr. Conditt and his father had been remodeling it.
“They treated it as a rebuilding, bonding project over the course of a year,” said Mark Roessler, 57, who lives across the street. He described the son as courteous, unassuming and very quiet.
Other neighbors said they saw little of the younger Mr. Conditt.
“I think he was pretty much a loner,” said Jay Schulze, a network engineer who lived about two blocks down, adding that Mr. Conditt spent most of his time with his parents.
Mr. Conditt worked for a local manufacturer, Crux Manufacturing, for about four years until he was fired this past August after he failed to meet job expectations, the company told a local television station, KVUE.
Katie Burke, a receptionist at Platinum Gymnastics in Pflugerville, said Mr. Conditt had also worked for the gym around 2012, when the gym was under different management at a separate location in Round Rock, Tex.
Jeff Reeb, 75, a neighbor of Mr. Conditt’s parents, said the Conditt's had never expressed concerns about their son to him.
“I can tell you nothing about him personally, except that he was a nice, young kid,” Mr. Reeb said. “He always seemed like he was smart. And he always seemed like he was very polite.”
Mr. Reeb added: “My summation is it doesn’t make any sense.”
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I have some thoughts on the matter. However, I will reserve them at this time. Until such time, let's do as the family requested before the death: "“Pray for our family. We are under attack” — a reference to a spiritual assault." CM
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@GaoLu said:
OK, I know, this is probably not some conspiracy. But for once, I really wonder. Why was he shot by police? Was he really guilty? And the video he made....I had not heard of this incident and thus given it no thought ...
Maybe I am just in the denial from the pain.
or maybe just noticing some "fishy strange claims in the official story" which don't quite want to match up with what comes to mind for a simple logically and reasonably thinking person?
Wolfgang, do you have a good theory for us?
See above ...
I've read through the newspaper report included in the post below ... and see a number of inconsistencies from just a cursory reading ... knowing how police has been trained over the last few decades (basically "first shoot, then ask questions, and since there is no answer, the person must have been the culprit" or "when police arrives at a scene, they are always under danger and therefore must shoot - and hopefully kill anyone declared a suspect), etc ... the story is sort of fuzzy ...
Of course, this time around, the official story is that the suspect blew himself up inside a vehicle with no shooting involved ... which doesn't help to explain anything about what was going on in terms of motive, etc. Apprehending a suspect and bringing him to justice certainly seems not the priority of police these days.This is so unimaginable. So sad. I ache for his family, the community and the victims, Yes, @C_M_, this would be a good time to pray.
"Unimaginable" seems to me quite a euphemism not wanting to openly mention the real impression ....
So much for a few thoughts ...
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I'm glad they are bringing to light that the bomber had an impeccable upbringing. Because people think nurture determines a child's outcome and not nature. But I think every family tree has a few nuts that will drop to the ground if you shake it long enough.
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@Dave_L said:
I'm glad they are bringing to light that the bomber had an impeccable upbringing. Because people think nurture determines a child's outcome and not nature. But I think every family tree has a few nuts that will drop to the ground if you shake it long enough."Impeccable upbringing?" We don't have all the facts. If it were, there are cautionary points to be gleaned from this tragedy. If anyone is interested. CM
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@C_M_ said:
@Dave_L said:
I'm glad they are bringing to light that the bomber had an impeccable upbringing. Because people think nurture determines a child's outcome and not nature. But I think every family tree has a few nuts that will drop to the ground if you shake it long enough."Impeccable upbringing?" We don't have all the facts. If it were, there are cautionary points to be gleaned from this tragedy. If anyone is interested. CM
How can we say he did not have an impeccable upbringing, without calling those who say he did, liars?
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@Dave_L said:
How can we say he did not have an impeccable upbringing, without calling those who say he did, liars?I know what you are saying, but I doubt he thinks they are lying. We each have our personalities and some people just are skeptics of anything good that they hear. It's something we all have to overcome.
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"Impeccable upbringing?" We don't have all the facts. If it were, there are cautionary points to be gleaned from this tragedy. If anyone is interested. CM
How can we say he did not have an impeccable upbringing, without calling those who say he did, liars?
Dave, I didn't say, or suggested anyone have to be "liars." What I said, We (at CD) don't know all the facts. No one has to be "liars." Wow, a Mapapi.
@GaoLu said:
@Dave_L said:
How can we say he did not have an impeccable upbringing, without calling those who say he did, liars?I know what you are saying, but I doubt he thinks they are lying. We each have our personalities and some people just are skeptics of anything good that they hear. It's something we all have to overcome.
Not we all, only those who "are skeptics of anything good that they hear." I wonder, who could that be? CM
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@C_M_ said:
"Impeccable upbringing?" We don't have all the facts. If it were, there are cautionary points to be gleaned from this tragedy. If anyone is interested. CM
How can we say he did not have an impeccable upbringing, without calling those who say he did, liars?
Dave, I didn't say, or suggested anyone have to be "liars." What I said, We (at CD) don't know all the facts. No one has to be "liars." Wow, a Mapapi.
OK, they are liars until proven innocent????
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