Christian Zionism and innocent bloodshed in the Middle East and elsewhere?
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
The Goland Heights was won in the 1967 war. The spoils of war are for keeps. What do you want from the Jews? Let them live in peace. Ask the American President why he cut off aid to the refugees? We must constantly work to keep peace in the middle-east. Why are you questioning the Jews and their land? Have you questioned America's ownership of her land? CMThanks CM for kicking this off in a good direction. I suppose we could as if Patriots have innocent native American blood on their hands too?
No. We do not have blood on our hands for something that happened over 100 years ago.
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
Do you also agree with me that America bought Alaska from Russia, stole a good portion of her land, and defraud (Louisiana Purchase) the rest of the land, she now occupies? No one is ever to point a finger at Israel for anything. She's the envy of many nations. CMMy position is: Israel has no biblical claim to the land.“For all the promises of God in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) (KJV 1900) = the promises are only available directly through Christ.
I really think you need to exegete this passage a little better than that Dave.
So any Israeli occupation of Palestine is purely secular and Christians should remain neutral preaching to all sides of the conflict.
I agree about preaching, but Israel does have a right to the land.
But to preach "Christian" Zionism and favor Israel is to help them shed innocent blood. And to share in the bloodshed that comes from those opposing them around the world.
No, that is simply not true.
Aren't Christian Zionists accessories to the crime so to speak by approving and even supporting the blood shed by Israel?
I think you have a gross misrepresentation of what people do or do not support. This of course is your normal operating procedure. You project a level of expertise when in fact you are nothing but a foolish man making outrageous claims against other groups.
How do we preach to both sides when we support only one side?
How do you preach to any enemy Dave?
How do you support Israel and preach to Palestinians?
You proclaim the Gospel. How do you preach to homosexuals? How do you preach to gang members?
How do you tell Palestinians you approve of Israel slaughtering them?
Why do you think that is what people approve of? Why do you think that is even what is going on?
Support for aggression is a sure sign of approval.
What agression?
What aggression? If the land doesn't belong to Israel, then it is purely aggression on their part not to acclimate and place themselves under the governments that be instead of overthrowing them and stealing their land.
But the land does belong to Israel. So no, it is not agression.
The streets of Chicago do not belong to the gangs, but it is still aggression when they go about shooting them up.
Wow.... that is hardly an equal comparison
Violence is violence.
What do you think goes on in Israel today?
My position is, they are now the law of the land and the Palestinians need to submit to them within those borders. Just as in the American Revolution, or any upheaval, Christians submit to the powers that be whenever they take over.
Ok....so then what is the point of your argument?
Promoting violence by supporting Israel involves you in the innocent bloodshed stemming from their conquest.
See you just contradicted yourself. How is supporting Israel promoting violence? Answer? It isn't.
If you say they have divine rights to the land, you are part of the problem.
Covenants give them that right.
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
The Goland Heights was won in the 1967 war. The spoils of war are for keeps. What do you want from the Jews? Let them live in peace. Ask the American President why he cut off aid to the refugees? We must constantly work to keep peace in the middle-east. Why are you questioning the Jews and their land? Have you questioned America's ownership of her land? CMThanks CM for kicking this off in a good direction. I suppose we could as if Patriots have innocent native American blood on their hands too?
No. We do not have blood on our hands for something that happened over 100 years ago.
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
Do you also agree with me that America bought Alaska from Russia, stole a good portion of her land, and defraud (Louisiana Purchase) the rest of the land, she now occupies? No one is ever to point a finger at Israel for anything. She's the envy of many nations. CMMy position is: Israel has no biblical claim to the land.“For all the promises of God in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) (KJV 1900) = the promises are only available directly through Christ.
I really think you need to exegete this passage a little better than that Dave.
So any Israeli occupation of Palestine is purely secular and Christians should remain neutral preaching to all sides of the conflict.
I agree about preaching, but Israel does have a right to the land.
But to preach "Christian" Zionism and favor Israel is to help them shed innocent blood. And to share in the bloodshed that comes from those opposing them around the world.
No, that is simply not true.
Aren't Christian Zionists accessories to the crime so to speak by approving and even supporting the blood shed by Israel?
I think you have a gross misrepresentation of what people do or do not support. This of course is your normal operating procedure. You project a level of expertise when in fact you are nothing but a foolish man making outrageous claims against other groups.
How do we preach to both sides when we support only one side?
How do you preach to any enemy Dave?
How do you support Israel and preach to Palestinians?
You proclaim the Gospel. How do you preach to homosexuals? How do you preach to gang members?
How do you tell Palestinians you approve of Israel slaughtering them?
Why do you think that is what people approve of? Why do you think that is even what is going on?
Support for aggression is a sure sign of approval.
What agression?
What aggression? If the land doesn't belong to Israel, then it is purely aggression on their part not to acclimate and place themselves under the governments that be instead of overthrowing them and stealing their land.
But the land does belong to Israel. So no, it is not agression.
The streets of Chicago do not belong to the gangs, but it is still aggression when they go about shooting them up.
Wow.... that is hardly an equal comparison
Violence is violence.
What do you think goes on in Israel today?
My position is, they are now the law of the land and the Palestinians need to submit to them within those borders. Just as in the American Revolution, or any upheaval, Christians submit to the powers that be whenever they take over.
Ok....so then what is the point of your argument?
Promoting violence by supporting Israel involves you in the innocent bloodshed stemming from their conquest.
See you just contradicted yourself. How is supporting Israel promoting violence? Answer? It isn't.
If you say they have divine rights to the land, you are part of the problem.
Covenants give them that right.
All the promises are said yes to in Jesus. They have no rights to the land.
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@reformed said:
Israel is not the aggressors @Dave_L https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/11/13/hamas-just-launched-300-rockets-into-israel-n2535877Being there uninvited makes them the aggressor.
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@reformed said:
Israel is not the aggressors @Dave_L https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/11/13/hamas-just-launched-300-rockets-into-israel-n2535877Just yesterday saw on German TV some footage supposedly showing some of those "rockets" ... was reminded more of fireworks rockets than of military type missiles. Also, and rather telling, there are no clips shown of any such "rockets" causing damages on the Israel side, but the pictures shown along the news of those "rockets" were the houses and buildings damaged in Gaza area by the bomb shelling of the Israel airforce.
Propaganda has its high time when it comes to reporting anything about the Zionist country Israel
By the way, the latest escalation started with an Israeli secret command unit entering Gaza territory and assassinating a Palestinian commander and six other fighters ... tell us, who would thus be the aggressor?
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@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
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@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
The Goland Heights was won in the 1967 war. The spoils of war are for keeps. What do you want from the Jews? Let them live in peace. Ask the American President why he cut off aid to the refugees? We must constantly work to keep peace in the middle-east. Why are you questioning the Jews and their land? Have you questioned America's ownership of her land? CMThanks CM for kicking this off in a good direction. I suppose we could as if Patriots have innocent native American blood on their hands too?
No. We do not have blood on our hands for something that happened over 100 years ago.
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
Do you also agree with me that America bought Alaska from Russia, stole a good portion of her land, and defraud (Louisiana Purchase) the rest of the land, she now occupies? No one is ever to point a finger at Israel for anything. She's the envy of many nations. CMMy position is: Israel has no biblical claim to the land.“For all the promises of God in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) (KJV 1900) = the promises are only available directly through Christ.
I really think you need to exegete this passage a little better than that Dave.
So any Israeli occupation of Palestine is purely secular and Christians should remain neutral preaching to all sides of the conflict.
I agree about preaching, but Israel does have a right to the land.
But to preach "Christian" Zionism and favor Israel is to help them shed innocent blood. And to share in the bloodshed that comes from those opposing them around the world.
No, that is simply not true.
Aren't Christian Zionists accessories to the crime so to speak by approving and even supporting the blood shed by Israel?
I think you have a gross misrepresentation of what people do or do not support. This of course is your normal operating procedure. You project a level of expertise when in fact you are nothing but a foolish man making outrageous claims against other groups.
How do we preach to both sides when we support only one side?
How do you preach to any enemy Dave?
How do you support Israel and preach to Palestinians?
You proclaim the Gospel. How do you preach to homosexuals? How do you preach to gang members?
How do you tell Palestinians you approve of Israel slaughtering them?
Why do you think that is what people approve of? Why do you think that is even what is going on?
Support for aggression is a sure sign of approval.
What agression?
What aggression? If the land doesn't belong to Israel, then it is purely aggression on their part not to acclimate and place themselves under the governments that be instead of overthrowing them and stealing their land.
But the land does belong to Israel. So no, it is not agression.
The streets of Chicago do not belong to the gangs, but it is still aggression when they go about shooting them up.
Wow.... that is hardly an equal comparison
Violence is violence.
What do you think goes on in Israel today?
My position is, they are now the law of the land and the Palestinians need to submit to them within those borders. Just as in the American Revolution, or any upheaval, Christians submit to the powers that be whenever they take over.
Ok....so then what is the point of your argument?
Promoting violence by supporting Israel involves you in the innocent bloodshed stemming from their conquest.
See you just contradicted yourself. How is supporting Israel promoting violence? Answer? It isn't.
If you say they have divine rights to the land, you are part of the problem.
Covenants give them that right.
All the promises are said yes to in Jesus. They have no rights to the land.
That's not what that verse means Dave.
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
Israel is not the aggressors @Dave_L https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/11/13/hamas-just-launched-300-rockets-into-israel-n2535877Being there uninvited makes them the aggressor.
They are not the agressor, they rightfully own the land ever since the 60's.
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@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
The Goland Heights was won in the 1967 war. The spoils of war are for keeps. What do you want from the Jews? Let them live in peace. Ask the American President why he cut off aid to the refugees? We must constantly work to keep peace in the middle-east. Why are you questioning the Jews and their land? Have you questioned America's ownership of her land? CMThanks CM for kicking this off in a good direction. I suppose we could as if Patriots have innocent native American blood on their hands too?
No. We do not have blood on our hands for something that happened over 100 years ago.
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
Do you also agree with me that America bought Alaska from Russia, stole a good portion of her land, and defraud (Louisiana Purchase) the rest of the land, she now occupies? No one is ever to point a finger at Israel for anything. She's the envy of many nations. CMMy position is: Israel has no biblical claim to the land.“For all the promises of God in him [Jesus] are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20) (KJV 1900) = the promises are only available directly through Christ.
I really think you need to exegete this passage a little better than that Dave.
So any Israeli occupation of Palestine is purely secular and Christians should remain neutral preaching to all sides of the conflict.
I agree about preaching, but Israel does have a right to the land.
But to preach "Christian" Zionism and favor Israel is to help them shed innocent blood. And to share in the bloodshed that comes from those opposing them around the world.
No, that is simply not true.
Aren't Christian Zionists accessories to the crime so to speak by approving and even supporting the blood shed by Israel?
I think you have a gross misrepresentation of what people do or do not support. This of course is your normal operating procedure. You project a level of expertise when in fact you are nothing but a foolish man making outrageous claims against other groups.
How do we preach to both sides when we support only one side?
How do you preach to any enemy Dave?
How do you support Israel and preach to Palestinians?
You proclaim the Gospel. How do you preach to homosexuals? How do you preach to gang members?
How do you tell Palestinians you approve of Israel slaughtering them?
Why do you think that is what people approve of? Why do you think that is even what is going on?
Support for aggression is a sure sign of approval.
What agression?
What aggression? If the land doesn't belong to Israel, then it is purely aggression on their part not to acclimate and place themselves under the governments that be instead of overthrowing them and stealing their land.
But the land does belong to Israel. So no, it is not agression.
The streets of Chicago do not belong to the gangs, but it is still aggression when they go about shooting them up.
Wow.... that is hardly an equal comparison
Violence is violence.
What do you think goes on in Israel today?
My position is, they are now the law of the land and the Palestinians need to submit to them within those borders. Just as in the American Revolution, or any upheaval, Christians submit to the powers that be whenever they take over.
Ok....so then what is the point of your argument?
Promoting violence by supporting Israel involves you in the innocent bloodshed stemming from their conquest.
See you just contradicted yourself. How is supporting Israel promoting violence? Answer? It isn't.
If you say they have divine rights to the land, you are part of the problem.
Covenants give them that right.
All the promises are said yes to in Jesus. They have no rights to the land.
That's not what that verse means Dave.
@Dave_L said:
@reformed said:
Israel is not the aggressors @Dave_L https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/11/13/hamas-just-launched-300-rockets-into-israel-n2535877Being there uninvited makes them the aggressor.
They are not the agressor, they rightfully own the land ever since the 60's.
It remains however fuel for the fire if we support any aggression. And the innocent blood shed around the world because of it.
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@reformed said:
They are not the agressor, they rightfully own the land ever since the 60's.Who actually owned the land and lived there for many centuries prior to the early 20th century?
Are the British empire rulers "God" as they were the ones making decisions to give the Zionists land in Palestine which really did not even belong to them?
Why do the Zionists not adhere to how the land was divided up initially among Zionists and Palestinians, but instead from the start were busy to steal more and more land and subdue Palestinians?
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@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
They are not the agressor, they rightfully own the land ever since the 60's.Who actually owned the land and lived there for many centuries prior to the early 20th century?
Are the British empire rulers "God" as they were the ones making decisions to give the Zionists land in Palestine which really did not even belong to them?
Why do the Zionists not adhere to how the land was divided up initially among Zionists and Palestinians, but instead from the start were busy to steal more and more land and subdue Palestinians?
Palestinians never had claim to the land Biblically
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@reformed said:
Palestinians never had claim to the land BiblicallyNeither did the Zionists (who are not related to the Biblical tribes of Israel).
In addition, according to Jesus' prophecy, apostate Biblical Israel with their unbelief and rejection of their Messiah forfeited any rights to the earthly land and would be dispersed among the nations and their house would be left unto them desolate.
Any member and descendant of the Biblical tribes of Israel after Christ's fulfillment of the Law has the opportunity to enter the true "land", namely that "heavenly land", by placing their faith/trust in Messiah Jesus (just as is the case with anyone of the uncircumcision).
I noticed, you refrained from answering the questions I asked in my last post in reply to your earlier post ... care to answer those questions?
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@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
Palestinians never had claim to the land BiblicallyNeither did the Zionists (who are not related to the Biblical tribes of Israel).
In addition, according to Jesus' prophecy, apostate Biblical Israel with their unbelief and rejection of their Messiah forfeited any rights to the earthly land and would be dispersed among the nations and their house would be left unto them desolate.
Verse?
Any member and descendant of the Biblical tribes of Israel after Christ's fulfillment of the Law has the opportunity to enter the true "land", namely that "heavenly land", by placing their faith/trust in Messiah Jesus (just as is the case with anyone of the uncircumcision).
That is different than the physical land.
I noticed, you refrained from answering the questions I asked in my last post in reply to your earlier post ... care to answer those questions?
I don't understand your questions.
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@Wolfgang said:
@reformed said:
They are not the agressor, they rightfully own the land ever since the 60's.Who actually owned the land and lived there for many centuries prior to the early 20th century?
Are the British empire rulers "God" as they were the ones making decisions to give the Zionists land in Palestine which really did not even belong to them?
Why do the Zionists not adhere to how the land was divided up initially among Zionists and Palestinians, but instead from the start were busy to steal more and more land and subdue Palestinians?
Wolfgang,
I know you won't be able to answer me, but I would like to see the above questions applied to America. CMPS. Israel is there to stay. She will not be moved. If she chooses to give land for peace that her business, but I don't think that will happen anytime soon. CM
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