war and history ... what do you know about WWII?
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In recent days, once again the war drums are beaten, atrocities and war crimes are comitted, international law broken ... and arrogance is trumpeted in a fashion that makes people wonder about what is actually going on. Such procedures are not necessarily new .... propaganda and fake news to mislead the general public and to soften them to sacrfice their sons for the greed of a few has been around a long time.
Sometimes, more true light is brought into focus only decades after a war ... I suggest learning from the truth available regarding the past in order to sharpen one's perception about the presence and not be fooled into false and deadly "blind patriotism"
The following book may be helpful in your endeavour
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This book discusses the origins, aftermath, and atrocities of World War II from a German perspective. It is in essence Germany’s side of the story. This book is designed to counteract the one-sided bias of establishment historians against Germany in regard to World War II...However, an objective review of the origins of World War II reveals that the Allied leaders of the Soviet Union, the United States, and Great Britain were primarily responsible for starting and prolonging the war.
Part II of this book reports the Allied mass murder of the German people after the end of World War II
Part II of this book reports the Allied mass murder of the German people after the end of World War II. Although denied by almost all historians, the Western Allies murdered approximately 1 million German prisoners of war through intentional starvation and exposure to the elements. The Allies also carried out the largest forced population transfer in history by expelling approximately 16 million ethnic Germans from their homes after the end of the war. Probably a minimum 2.1 million of these German expellees died in what was supposed to be an “orderly and humane” expulsion. Finally, the Allies murdered millions of additional Germans through starvation after the end of World War II.
National Socialist Germany did not have a policy of genocide against the Jewish people during the war. Although hundreds of thousands of Jews died of disease and other natural causes in the German concentration camps, Germany did not murder millions of Jews as claimed by most historians. Also, while almost never reported by establishment historians, the Allies murdered tens of thousands of Germans in former German concentration camps after the end of World War II.
After reading this, why should I bother to read any more of this book? This sounds like a revisionist propaganda. Germany's hands are dirty when it comes to the death of millions of Jews. Get angry over this!
Wolfgang, are you a Holocaust denier?
"The Holocaust was the systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of six million Jews by the Nazi regime and its allies and collaborators. The Nazis came to power in Germany in January 1933. They believed that the Germans belonged to a race that was "superior" to all others. They claimed that the Jews belonged to a race that was "inferior" and a threat to the so-called German racial community".
What more you want from the Jews? CM
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After reading this, why should I bother to read any more of this book?
Because you would learn something very important for your life ...not being so easily taken in by propaganda lies, no matter from where they come and who is culprit or victim.
This sounds like a revisionist propaganda. Germany's hands are dirty when it comes to the death of millions of Jews. Get angry over this!
Ever given it a thought, or perhaps experienced in your own life, that something needed a revision because what had been propagated was lacking?
Wolfgang, are you a Holocaust denier?
No, I don't deny that Hitler and members of his regime have caused the death of millions of people of various religious beliefs and various recial backgrounds. I also do not deny that even more millions of Germans (mostly civilians) were purposely killed ("disappeared unaccounted for") -- in particular by Western Allies and their "hunger treatment politics" of destroying "Germany" -- in the years immediately following WWII.
Official History is usually written by those who won the war ... the real and true story often only becomes visible decades later when archives are opened and "top secret" matters at the time become available to the public ... and often tell quite a different story from the propaganda story being dumped on the public initially.
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"O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive"!
You can't defend a murderous regime after killing so many Jews. Just stop it! You nor the German people can't rewrite history. Real lives were loss. This is not a game. I am so disappointed in you presenting such nonsense to these forums. Where did you get such bold-face to do such here?
On second thought, If you can deny the divinity of Jesus, it's probably a schoolyard's play to be a Holocaust denier. Tears came to my eyes for all the Jews that suffered and died at the hands of "Hitler and members of his regime". Do you hate Jews that much that you would seek to deny them their history? I could scream! CM
PS. Observe the quotation marks. It would be nice, if you ask Jan, to cancel this whole thread. CM
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You can't defend a murderous regime after killing so many Jews. Just stop it! You nor the German people can't rewrite history. Real lives were loss. This is not a game. I am so disappointed in you presenting such nonsense to these forums. Where did you get such bold-face to do such here?
Excuse me ... where did I defend any murderous regime in my posts? Furthermore, I am not re-writing history. Are you so brainwashed that you can't even read the words I actually wrote?
... Do you hate Jews that much that you would seek to deny them their history? I could scream! CM
Actually, I begin more and more to think that "the Jews" have suffered in countries other than Germany (such as Sovietunion, Poland) even more than they did in Germany ... one needs to give a good objective and to the best of one's ability non-emotional look at facts and figures that are becoming available to a general public as archives have been opened over recent decades. Not everything seems to have been as the official war-victors have promoted in order to disguise their own atrocities and crimes which have cots far more innocent people's lives than was the case with Jews who lost their lives at the hand of the Nazis.
So you perhaps get it in your head => pointing out crimes of the warmongers pulling the strings behind the scenes does of course not change anything about the crimees of someone else. However, when the thief screams "Stop the thief!" while pointing at someone else in order to hide his crime, there is a problem, yes? As long as such lie and hypocrisy and falsehood are not exposed but successfully hidden by blaming all on the other person, no true peace can even come in sight.
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Wolfgang,
End this thread! Love the German People don't smear the death of Jews by "the hand of the Nazis". What you said above, in your last post, is exactly what you are doing.
Wolfgang, "you're slick, but not enough to slide". Anyone can discern your dislike for Jews and Israel. You tried this before, in these forums. Do you remember These:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rux53jwNCl8
https://www.christiandiscourse.net/discussion/comment/12447#Comment_12447
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7905884.stm
Wolfgang, you seem to have a mission or some kind of sinister-mandate to belittle the "peace-loving" Jews. The Jews in Germany are not going anywhere. Get use to them. You can join your warmongering Friend, Trump, in Washington, D.C. U.S.A.
How dare you call the death of six-million Jews a "lie and hypocrisy and falsehood"? Are you well? CM
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@C_M_ ... End this thread! Love the German People don't smear the death of Jews by "the hand of the Nazis". What you said above, in your last post, is exactly what you are doing.
You are apparently unable to read what others write ...
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Wolfgang, say what you will or may, end this thread and leave the Jews alone!!! CM
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I always get amused when people start talking about international law as if that has any teeth or meaning whatsoever.
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I always get amused when people start talking about international law as if that has any teeth or meaning whatsoever.
Do you know what is meant by international law? It's laws which have been agreed upon in the UN charta, to which - by the way - the USA is also a signatory. But, as your comment shows, the USA regimes appear to have programmed their citizens to think that they are above any law (even their own constitution) .... amazingly sad news, indeed.
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Wolfgang,
Are you aware of this?
A surge of violence against Jews in and around New York spurred a solidarity march against anti-Semitism on Sunday...
Here is something for you to read:
"How to Fight Anti-Semitism" by Bari Weiss
You are able to read the work others have written.
"You would learn something very important for your life ...not being so easily taken in by propaganda lies..." --Wolfgang
There are others, but let's start here. Joyous reading. CM
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"How to Fight Anti-Semitism" by Bari Weiss
why is no one seemingly concerned with "Anti-Americanism", that is, politics against the will of the American people? How is it, that just about any "Anti-{whoever}" is approved and even lauded, but "Anti-Semitism" (which in reality is actually "Anti-Zionism" in disguise" is strongly forbidden? DO the folks accusing others of "Anti-Semitism" even realize that large parts of Israel's Jews of today are by no means of semitic background, but are solely followers of "Jewish" religion? Brainwashing seems to have been going on for many decades in that regard ...
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Yes, I am aware of what international law is, and, quite frankly, it is a stupid notion. And the UN is a waste of time, space, money, intellect, and more.
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Yes, I am aware of what international law is, and, quite frankly, it is a stupid notion. And the UN is a waste of time, space, money, intellect, and more.
Ha ha ... the hegemon doesn't like it. Rather wants to impose his law of brute force upon everyone else ... will only be satisfied when having subdued and enslaved all other countries and people
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This is disgusting and not true.
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This is disgusting and not true.
What you wrote was all of a sudden no longer true, just because I reiterated it in slightly different wording ?
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You did not write what I wrote in different wording. You said something different altogether you liar.
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Wolfgang,
You're not the best messenger about Jews or "Anti-Semitism". May I suggest you hold your tongue when it comes to the Jews or Israel. How you got to where you are and views, I know not, when or how. CM
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You're not the best messenger about Jews or "Anti-Semitism". May I suggest you hold your tongue when it comes to the Jews or Israel. How you got to where you are and views, I know not, when or how. CM
Did you not notice that I was asking about some "Anti-{....}isms" other than Anti-Semitism? What answers would you have to my questions?
why is no one seemingly concerned with "Anti-Americanism", that is, politics against the will of the American people? How is it, that just about any "Anti-{whoever}" is approved and even lauded, but "Anti-Semitism" (which in reality is actually "Anti-Zionism" in disguise" is strongly forbidden?
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What answers would you have to my questions?
None!
America's history is too bloody and brutal. CM
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Hmn .... in Germany, one certainly doesn't hear or read this type of observation of more or less current history
The "official story" and what is taught in school to the children is quite different ...
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Here we go again, Roberts and Wolfgang rewriting history. According to Roberts, Germany is a blessed country in view of where she is today. That's my take away. CM
PS. Germany's hands remain dirty for killing the Jews. You can't "white-wash" that. CM
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Thanks for your post. I like to hear both sides of any matter. But I have a question that I'd like to consider. How do you view Christians from several nations killing each other in WWI and WWII? Even Mennonites were fighting and killing for Germany in WWII. It goes on with several other wars in America also involving England. How do you view this Wolfgang?
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"Christians" have killed each other in wars previous to WWI and WWII ... a sad story indeed that they apparently value political patriotism to the regime of country above their "heavenly citizenship" which they share with other Christians independent of what country the other lives in. And, of ocurse, some regimes claim to be "Christian" and even end any of their speechs with "God bless {so and so country}", having no real thought about sacrificing their citizens in uniform (as well as civilians as "collateral damage") on the altars of their greed for power and riches.
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Thanks. This always baffled me and makes me think the Church is in far fewer numbers than what Christendom represents.
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Thanks. This always baffled me and makes me think the Church is in far fewer numbers than what Christendom represents.
This appears to be the case ... institutionalized "Christendom" (also often referred to as "denominations") teaches rather little Biblical Christian doctrine and practices even less ... instead they involve themselves in big politics and other worldly endeavors.
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Here are some comments on post WWII years and what was going on .... please note, this was not written by German trying to "revise history" ...
Whether you like or don't like P.C. Roberts, is irrelevant ... as the FACTS presented are not actually his opinion or his findings, but have been documented by many historians and published by Harvard University Press, Yale University Press, Basic Books, and Palgrave Macmillan.
