Why Is Arming Teachers A Bad Idea?

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@Dave_L said:
If teachers were cut out to be cops, they would have been cops. If cops were cut out to be teachers, they would have been teachers. It's like expecting the soccer coach to play first violin in the symphony or worse.

That isn't even a valid argument.

If you think about teachers you studied under that had a talent for teaching as opposed to those who did not, the argument holds true. Why do high school bands screen students making sure they have a musical talent before investing in them? A teaching degree does not make one a teacher any more than a bible college degree makes one a Christian.

The reason your argument wasn't valid is because it assumes that people can only be skilled enough to do one thing and one thing only in life. That's absurd.

Multitasking is the least efficient way to run any business. It's like the old saying about being a jack of all trades and a master of none. Do you go to the dentist if you need brain surgery?

Dave your arguments have no logic behind them and aren't relevant.

Think of it this way. If you pay a teacher for doing a cop's job it costs more. Plus the cop is better trained. But if you hire a National Guard person, it is a fraction of what you would pay a teacher or a cop. Plus they would be able to monitor CCTV and do many other peripheral tasks a teacher, preoccupied with teaching, could never do.

1. We aren't paying teacher's to do a cops job. We are allowing teachers to carry weapons so if there was ever an active shooter situation they can eliminate the threat. Cops do not help in this situation, they can't get there fast enough.
2. The cop is better trained at what? You can't 100% say that with certainty. I know private citizens who are just as good, if not better, with a weapon than a lot of officers.
3. Why would the National Guard be cheaper than the cop or teacher? Based on what?
4. Why are we worried about CCTV and such? We aren't talking about those things.

The big problem is that the National Guard or Cop could prevent the tragedy before it starts. The teacher can only try to cope with the effects.

You don't know that, and actually it's been proven to not be true. Remember, there was a deputy at the Parkland shooting but he didn't prevent anything.

If you build schools like prisons with CCTV and a guard you can prevent casualties before they begin. A teacher cannot do both of these jobs at the same time.

Some of the new school construction reminds us of prison construction where you can see each corridor from one point of view.

You totally ignored the fact that I just pointed out this did not prevent the last mass shooting.

You cannot use one example to speak for all. Why don't prisons use the galley cook to keep watch on everything?

We aren't suggesting that teachers keep an eye on everything. We also want resource officers present. However, you can't have cops in every hallway and every room and every building. If a teacher could stop the threat immediately why would you not want that?

It will NOT take away from teaching. It is NOT an extra burden. It is already done in some school districts.

Teachers with guns are like medicines that treat the symptoms. But building design and a member or two of a well regulated militia under control of the magistrate would be the biblical model. And it would prevent casualties.

Plus any cross training of personnel results in reduced job performance.

What cross training do you think they are doing? We are talking about teachers who already have or already want to have conceal carry. They are already trained and it doesn't impact job performance. Your arguments are nonsense.

As far as symptoms, cops and guards in the schools also only treat the symptoms.

Would you rather have a surgeon operating on you and another laying next to you at the same time?

Prison design and CCTV suggest you are wrong in preventing escape or unwarranted entry.

Unfortunately you are suggesting tearing down and rebuilding every school in America. Just isn't going to happen. Not practical and how would we pay for it?

When we begin valuing our children as much as our guns, it will happen.

That's not a fair comparison or assessment of what is actually going on. You aren't being rational.

Think about it. Either build better protection and keep your guns. Or get rid of the guns and save a few $$$.

Or, have better protection (teachers armed), keep the guns, and save money.

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@Dave_L said:
If teachers were cut out to be cops, they would have been cops. If cops were cut out to be teachers, they would have been teachers. It's like expecting the soccer coach to play first violin in the symphony or worse.

That isn't even a valid argument.

If you think about teachers you studied under that had a talent for teaching as opposed to those who did not, the argument holds true. Why do high school bands screen students making sure they have a musical talent before investing in them? A teaching degree does not make one a teacher any more than a bible college degree makes one a Christian.

The reason your argument wasn't valid is because it assumes that people can only be skilled enough to do one thing and one thing only in life. That's absurd.

Multitasking is the least efficient way to run any business. It's like the old saying about being a jack of all trades and a master of none. Do you go to the dentist if you need brain surgery?

Dave your arguments have no logic behind them and aren't relevant.

Think of it this way. If you pay a teacher for doing a cop's job it costs more. Plus the cop is better trained. But if you hire a National Guard person, it is a fraction of what you would pay a teacher or a cop. Plus they would be able to monitor CCTV and do many other peripheral tasks a teacher, preoccupied with teaching, could never do.

1. We aren't paying teacher's to do a cops job. We are allowing teachers to carry weapons so if there was ever an active shooter situation they can eliminate the threat. Cops do not help in this situation, they can't get there fast enough.
2. The cop is better trained at what? You can't 100% say that with certainty. I know private citizens who are just as good, if not better, with a weapon than a lot of officers.
3. Why would the National Guard be cheaper than the cop or teacher? Based on what?
4. Why are we worried about CCTV and such? We aren't talking about those things.

The big problem is that the National Guard or Cop could prevent the tragedy before it starts. The teacher can only try to cope with the effects.

You don't know that, and actually it's been proven to not be true. Remember, there was a deputy at the Parkland shooting but he didn't prevent anything.

If you build schools like prisons with CCTV and a guard you can prevent casualties before they begin. A teacher cannot do both of these jobs at the same time.

Some of the new school construction reminds us of prison construction where you can see each corridor from one point of view.

You totally ignored the fact that I just pointed out this did not prevent the last mass shooting.

You cannot use one example to speak for all. Why don't prisons use the galley cook to keep watch on everything?

We aren't suggesting that teachers keep an eye on everything. We also want resource officers present. However, you can't have cops in every hallway and every room and every building. If a teacher could stop the threat immediately why would you not want that?

It will NOT take away from teaching. It is NOT an extra burden. It is already done in some school districts.

Teachers with guns are like medicines that treat the symptoms. But building design and a member or two of a well regulated militia under control of the magistrate would be the biblical model. And it would prevent casualties.

Plus any cross training of personnel results in reduced job performance.

What cross training do you think they are doing? We are talking about teachers who already have or already want to have conceal carry. They are already trained and it doesn't impact job performance. Your arguments are nonsense.

As far as symptoms, cops and guards in the schools also only treat the symptoms.

Would you rather have a surgeon operating on you and another laying next to you at the same time?

Prison design and CCTV suggest you are wrong in preventing escape or unwarranted entry.

Unfortunately you are suggesting tearing down and rebuilding every school in America. Just isn't going to happen. Not practical and how would we pay for it?

When we begin valuing our children as much as our guns, it will happen.

That's not a fair comparison or assessment of what is actually going on. You aren't being rational.

Think about it. Either build better protection and keep your guns. Or get rid of the guns and save a few $$$.

Or, have better protection (teachers armed), keep the guns, and save money.

That will only add to the violence. I'm talking about preventing violence and keeping your gun too.

I doubt building prison style schools will prevent violence. Curb it some, perhaps, but not prevent it. The arguments for not arming teachers are weak at best. They are not based in fact or reality but rather hyperbole and extreme cases.

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@Dave_L said:

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@davidtaylorjr said:

@Dave_L said:

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@Dave_L said:

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@Dave_L said:

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@Dave_L said:

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@Dave_L said:

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@Dave_L said:
If teachers were cut out to be cops, they would have been cops. If cops were cut out to be teachers, they would have been teachers. It's like expecting the soccer coach to play first violin in the symphony or worse.

That isn't even a valid argument.

If you think about teachers you studied under that had a talent for teaching as opposed to those who did not, the argument holds true. Why do high school bands screen students making sure they have a musical talent before investing in them? A teaching degree does not make one a teacher any more than a bible college degree makes one a Christian.

The reason your argument wasn't valid is because it assumes that people can only be skilled enough to do one thing and one thing only in life. That's absurd.

Multitasking is the least efficient way to run any business. It's like the old saying about being a jack of all trades and a master of none. Do you go to the dentist if you need brain surgery?

Dave your arguments have no logic behind them and aren't relevant.

Think of it this way. If you pay a teacher for doing a cop's job it costs more. Plus the cop is better trained. But if you hire a National Guard person, it is a fraction of what you would pay a teacher or a cop. Plus they would be able to monitor CCTV and do many other peripheral tasks a teacher, preoccupied with teaching, could never do.

1. We aren't paying teacher's to do a cops job. We are allowing teachers to carry weapons so if there was ever an active shooter situation they can eliminate the threat. Cops do not help in this situation, they can't get there fast enough.
2. The cop is better trained at what? You can't 100% say that with certainty. I know private citizens who are just as good, if not better, with a weapon than a lot of officers.
3. Why would the National Guard be cheaper than the cop or teacher? Based on what?
4. Why are we worried about CCTV and such? We aren't talking about those things.

The big problem is that the National Guard or Cop could prevent the tragedy before it starts. The teacher can only try to cope with the effects.

You don't know that, and actually it's been proven to not be true. Remember, there was a deputy at the Parkland shooting but he didn't prevent anything.

If you build schools like prisons with CCTV and a guard you can prevent casualties before they begin. A teacher cannot do both of these jobs at the same time.

Some of the new school construction reminds us of prison construction where you can see each corridor from one point of view.

You totally ignored the fact that I just pointed out this did not prevent the last mass shooting.

You cannot use one example to speak for all. Why don't prisons use the galley cook to keep watch on everything?

We aren't suggesting that teachers keep an eye on everything. We also want resource officers present. However, you can't have cops in every hallway and every room and every building. If a teacher could stop the threat immediately why would you not want that?

It will NOT take away from teaching. It is NOT an extra burden. It is already done in some school districts.

Teachers with guns are like medicines that treat the symptoms. But building design and a member or two of a well regulated militia under control of the magistrate would be the biblical model. And it would prevent casualties.

Plus any cross training of personnel results in reduced job performance.

What cross training do you think they are doing? We are talking about teachers who already have or already want to have conceal carry. They are already trained and it doesn't impact job performance. Your arguments are nonsense.

As far as symptoms, cops and guards in the schools also only treat the symptoms.

Would you rather have a surgeon operating on you and another laying next to you at the same time?

Prison design and CCTV suggest you are wrong in preventing escape or unwarranted entry.

Unfortunately you are suggesting tearing down and rebuilding every school in America. Just isn't going to happen. Not practical and how would we pay for it?

When we begin valuing our children as much as our guns, it will happen.

That's not a fair comparison or assessment of what is actually going on. You aren't being rational.

Think about it. Either build better protection and keep your guns. Or get rid of the guns and save a few $$$.

Or, have better protection (teachers armed), keep the guns, and save money.

That will only add to the violence. I'm talking about preventing violence and keeping your gun too.

I doubt building prison style schools will prevent violence. Curb it some, perhaps, but not prevent it. The arguments for not arming teachers are weak at best. They are not based in fact or reality but rather hyperbole and extreme cases.

I think if we want to keep guns, we need to spend to protect people from them when they fall into the wrong hands. Building design would also protect from bombs that armed teachers are helpless against.

@GaoLu said:
Maybe we should give the teachers bombs too. Idea! Hold school deep underground in salt mines! Maybe it is late and I am rummy. G'nght y'all.

You belong in Washington.

I was so sorry back then. Now, I am much less sorry. I think it was terribly funny. My friend Eric who ate the soap thinks so too.

It has to do with guns because if you take guns away, people find all kinds of ways to do violence. Even good, sweet little 6th graders.