To Be Vaccinated or NOT To Be Vaccinated? That is the Question.
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@Wolfgang posted:
It's so effective that the tune of what protection it was to provide has changed several times ... always a new twist to cover up its medical ineffectiveness and protect the $$$-vaccine-cow. Here the vaccinated people's problems are covered up by only having unvaccinated folks tested ... and when all of a sudden one of the fully vaccinated folks got infected, a non-vaccinated in his surrounding must be blamed (even though they all tested negative --- in truth, the infection is linked to one of the non-tested fully vaccinated folks ! Very simple .... actually.
In my previous post, Wolfgang, I asked that you post links to one or more of the "reports from seniors residence" to which you referred so that we can assess their content and relevance to the discussion of COVID vaccine efficacy. Your response quoted here makes no mention of such links, so I make my request again.
In my previous post I also requested your response to the two questions I posed to you about the three charts I included in one of my posts in this thread, charts that reported a 50%-plus reduction in the rates of COVID-related hospitalization and death among twice-vaccinated persons compared to unvaccinated persons. Your response quoted here makes no mention of those questions, so I ask them again:
- What conclusion(s) about double-dose vaccination effectiveness against COVID-related hospitalization and death do you draw from the charts?
- According to the same report you relied on for one of your previous posts, are vaccinated persons over the age of 30 less susceptible to COVID-related hospitalization and death than unvaccinated persons over the age of 30?
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I do not keep newspaper clips ... or recordings of conversations .... I do remember some to which I might make reference later on if I am reminded by some topic or subject.
I also note how official RKI or government press conference statements are warped to support their agenda ... and I do note that the agenda is not in the interest of the people at large but in the interest of certain few very powerful and rich masters behind the scenes of political puppet players. Of course, most people are ignorant and only go by mainstream propaganda and are following the "Corona priests" even to the point of defaming those who don't adhere to the dogma mandates as "conspiracy theorists" ... sad but true.
Vaccination has become the new pride label and entry admission ticket to more and more aspects of life that before were part of liberty and common good of society ... as such "admission freedom" is the only real noticable "benefit" to the vaccinated. More and more baccinated seem to wake up and notice how "vaccine powered freedom" (in other words, enslavement to those dictating vaccines) is in reality a lie because such freedom and liberty has been stolen from them in the name of "Corona Covid" in the first place.
Common sense and sound thinking and a few other morally sound and healthy values have been overturned by blatant disaster ... and only few even notice.
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Of course, that really was a misunderstanding ??? 😉 😎 Or was it actually the truth that slipped out because of concentration lack to keep up "our big house of lies where we feed our $$$ cow" ?
Actually, the folks talking did most likely not even realize what the figures they reported really meant when compared with other diseases
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Observation is currently 20% of those hospitalized in various places are fully vaccinated (within nine months of being jabbed)
Almost 80% of 1,144 people who currently need hospitalization in Slovakia have been only partially vaccinated or haven’t received a shot at all.
Slovakia has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the EU. Less than 2.4 million people have been fully vaccinated against the coronavirus.
Four out of five COVID-19 patients on Dutch intensive care wards have not been vaccinated, the National Institute for Public Health said last week.
Fully vaccinated people made up about 30% of deaths over the last month, most older than 60 with underlying medical woes, in line with studies showing that vaccines offer less protection to the old and very ill.
Internet search of site:cnn.com vaccine herd immunity includes health article published on 5 Mar 2021
Noticed expert warning at the end of article about new variants "potentially lessoning protection offered by vaccines" (in hindsight seems to be a warning about what was coming).
"The durability of immunity against reinfection by SARS-Cov-2: a comparative evolutionary study"
Methods summary mentions natural immunity (recovery from COVID illness) has three antibody components against COVID: "nucleocapsid protein, spike protein, and whole-virus lysate IgG". Current "vaccines" (experimental mRNA gene therapy) causes spike proteins so does not induce antibody immunity against the rest of COVID disease (vulnerable to breakthrough cases, which is currently 20% of fully vaccinated, noticeably more than under 10% a few months ago => wondering about hospitalization increases for vaccinated in the coming months). Over time will find out if this study about natural immunity reinfection time frame being reasonably valid or SWAG (Sophisticated Wild Arithmetic Guess). Study conclusion includes maintaining current public health measures.
Keep Smiling 😊
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@Wolfgang posted:
I do not keep newspaper clips ... or recordings of conversations .... I do remember some to which I might make reference later on if I am reminded by some topic or subject.
The credibility of your case suffers when all you can offer in its support are inaccessible newspaper clips, occasional past conversations, and references to the health outcomes of what you called "several middle age persons."
I also note how official RKI or government press conference statements are warped to support their agenda ... and I do note that the agenda is not in the interest of the people at large but in the interest of certain few very powerful and rich masters behind the scenes of political puppet players.
The credibility of your case again suffers when you criticize government data as "warped" in the interests of the rich and powerful - as you do here - less than 60 hours after having used government data in THIS POST as the basis for your conclusion that "[a]dults above 30 have higher risk of Covid if they have received a 'double dose' .... statistics expose the 'vaccination protection' lie."
Of course, most people are ignorant and only go by mainstream propaganda and are following the "Corona priests" even to the point of defaming those who don't adhere to the dogma mandates as "conspiracy theorists" ... sad but true.
Here we don't have to wait 60 hours for the contradiction; it appears within the span of consecutive sentences. In the first, you allege that "most people are ignorant," I assume when it comes to what you believe is COVID reality. In the following sentence, you toss a defamation accusation at an unspecified subset of "most people"... whom you just called "ignorant."
Conspiracy theories are, by definition, false. Over the months of our exchanges on COVID, Wolfgang, I have shown the falsehood of many of your COVID-related claims. In fact, your only COVID-related claims that I haven't shown to be false are the ones I haven't posted about out of respect for my time and the miniscule return on my investment of it given your practice of refusing to mention, let alone to address, the content of my posts. I can count on a couple of fingers the number of times you have acknowledged the existence of one of my critiques of your posted falsehoods, and that includes this instance! More tellingly, I can count on no fingers the number of times you have demonstrated that one of my critiques of your posted falsehoods was not accurate.
Basically every substantive assertion/accusation you have posted about COVID has been false or significantly misleading, Wolfgang. Basically every one of them. If ANY of the ones I've critiqued HAD BEEN true, you would have defended at least a couple of them, or at bare minimum acknowledged the existence of my critiques. But you never have. In basically EVERY case, you alleged, I debunked, and you moved on to post your next falsehood. When I demonstrate the falsehood of false claims, it's not defamation; it's truth telling.
Actually, the folks talking did most likely not even realize what the figures they reported really meant when compared with other diseases
Given your refusal to mention, let alone engage, my critiques of and questions about your COVID-related posts, it's a waste of my time to debunk your claims. But as a brief reference to your most recent submission to this thread, note that in the article to which you linked, the author claims that the current global COVID death toll is 1,061,539. But the hyperlink the author attached to that number takes the reader to a site that, as of this post, reports the global COVID death toll as 4,974,703. Should we assume that the author believes the COVID death toll rose nearly 400% in the 18 days after the publication of his article?
When you understate a five million person death toll by nearly four million, you've got credibility problems.
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Attention all posters!!!
*Hot off the Press! It is starting to come apart.*
"World Health Organization European Advisory Group of Experts in Immunization former Vice President Professor Christian Perronne yesterday said that all vaccinated people must quarantine over the winter months or risk serious illness.
Perronne specializes in tropical pathologies and emerging infectious diseases. He was Chairman of the Specialized Committee on Communicable Diseases of the High Council of Public Health.
Confirming the rapidly deteriorating situation in Israel and the UK, the infectious disease expert stated: “Vaccinated people should be put in quarantine, and should be isolated from the society.”
He went on to say: “Unvaccinated people are not dangerous; vaccinated people are dangerous for others. It’s proven in Israel now – I’m in contact with many physicians in Israel – they’re having big problems, severe cases in the hospitals are among vaccinated people, and in UK also, you have the larger vaccination program and also there are problems.”
The current working group on the COVID-19 pandemic in France was reported to be “utterly panicked” on receipt of the news, fearing pandemonium if it follows the guidance of the experts.
Israeli doctor Kobi Haviv told Channel 13 News: “95% of seriously ill patients are vaccinated. Fully vaccinated people account for 85-90% of hospitalizations. We are opening more and more COVID branches.
The effectiveness of vaccines is declining or disappearing.”
NB “ Any booster Jab will make this 10 X worse !!
Please share to as many people as possible.
I’m sure this won’t get on mainstream media but we have to somehow get this info out... *If the Vs don’t work, therefore V passports are obsolete.*
@Bill_Coley, what do you have to say about this? You can’t explain this away. The vaccinated people are “in a pickle”. Sri you sorry now you took the vaccines? CM
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@C Mc posted:
@Bill_Coley, what do you have to say about this? You can’t explain this away. The vaccinated people are “in a pickle”. Sri you sorry now you took the vaccines? CM
It was on July 24, more than three months ago, that I informed you of my decision no longer to respond when you call me out by name in these threads, so I can easily understand if that advisory has slipped your mind. As a reminder of the rationale for my decision not to respond to the challenges you offer in said calls-out, I quote from my July 24 post (emphasis added):
"I'm not seeking to shame, blame, or force you to do anything, CM. Your practice of calling me out in these forums, then refusing to respond to my answers to your calls is so long-standing by now, that I have no expectation of your replies. I acknowledge that I feel great frustration with your practice, but that frustration is on me, not you. My best course of action when in future posts you call me out is not to respond, and that will be my approach to your challenges going forward."
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I am pretty sure, folks in harmony with mainstream vaccination propaganda stats will find why the info given by this source is just another "conspiracy theory" ....
BTW, "infections" (miscalled positive tests with unreliable tests) will definitely rise in the next few weeks and during winter months ... my grandma knew this from life experience of 6 decades and a bit of sound common sense 😉
There is a simple reason for more and more force and pressure put on unvaccinated people => they are the check and balance group against which the vaccination and side effects etc. can be measured ... they pose a grave danger to the criminal elites at work in most evil ways.
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Observation is 17 Aug 2021 posting for https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/frontlinenews/immunization-expert-unvaccinated-people-are-not-dangerous-vaccinated-people-are-dangerous-for-others/
Reuters posted a Middle East article on 20 Aug 2021
Around half of the country's 600 patients presently hospitalized with severe illness have received two doses of the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) shot, a rare occurrence out of 5.4 million fully vaccinated people.
The majority of these patients received two vaccine doses at least five months ago, are over the age of 60 and also have chronic illnesses known to exacerbate a coronavirus infection. They range from diabetes to heart disease and lung ailments, as well as cancers and inflammatory diseases that are treated with immune-system suppressing drugs, according to Reuters interviews with 11 doctors, health specialists and officials.
Reuters confirmed ~50% (half) of patients hospitalized as of 20 Aug 2021 were vaccinated (majority of patients were jabbed 5+ months earlier).
Current Reuters COVID & vaccine tracker shows peak in Israel happened on 13 Sep 2021, which has been followed by decline:
Caveat is tracker not providing breakthrough case data.
Pondering purpose of Reuter's World news for The Great Reboot:
Keep Smiling 😊
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From a Reuters article, @Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus posted (emphasis added):
Around half of the country's 600 patients presently hospitalized with severe illness have received two doses of the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) shot, a rare occurrence out of 5.4 million fully vaccinated people.
The majority of these patients received two vaccine doses at least five months ago, are over the age of 60 and also have chronic illnesses known to exacerbate a coronavirus infection. They range from diabetes to heart disease and lung ailments, as well as cancers and inflammatory diseases that are treated with immune-system suppressing drugs, according to Reuters interviews with 11 doctors, health specialists and officials.
Public health experts have long declared that advanced age and co-morbidities such as those reflected among the hospitalized patients characterized above (heart and lung conditions, cancers, and certain inflammatory diseases) increase the risks of serious COVID illness. THAT dimension of the Reuters story to which you link is not a surprise.
But neither is its "around half of the country's 600 patients presently hospitalized" dimension a surprise. According to THIS REUTERS ARTICLE, Israel has administered enough COVID vaccine doses to have fully vaccinated 87.6% of the nation's population. When potentially nearly 90% of the population is vaccinated, basic statistical probability indicates that a high percentage of those hospitalized are going to be vaccinated, especially when those vaccinated are older and deal with co-morbidities.
A third factor that explains Israel's August numbers is the demographics of the unvaccinated population, which is younger and hence, less likely to experience co-morbidities and COVID-related hospitalization or death. When the unvaccinated of a nation are predominantly younger, healthier, and a small percentage of the total population, they're naturally going to reflect a smaller percentage of the nation's hospitalized.
Finally, recall that Israel, like the rest of us, has been dealing with the more transmissible and therefore dangerous Delta variant, which affects case and other numbers.
But there's a more fundamental issue with the numbers to which you link: They're from August 2021. As of the first of October 2021, the majority of COVID cases in Israel were among the unvaccinated, NOT the vaccinated. According to THIS OCTOBER 1 ARTICLE and the data from Israel's Health Ministry that it quotes...
- "In Israel, COVID is fast becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated: Of the 644 patients in serious condition on Tuesday, 73 percent were from the small population of eligible Israelis who had not received any shots"
- "the death rate among unvaccinated people over the age of 60 (for the week prior to the article's publication) stood at 6.3 per 100,000, compared to 1.3 for double-vaccinated people and 0.1 for those who received a booster shot."
- "For those aged under 60 (again, for the week prior to the article's publication), there were 0.04 deaths per 100,000 for the unvaccinated, 0.02 for double-vaccinated people, 0.01 for those who received a booster shot."
That is, in late September, a month after the article to which you linked, the COVID death rate for the unvaccinated in Israel was higher than for the vaccinated - somewhere between two and 63 times higher, depending on the age range and vaccination status of those compared.
There is no real debate whether COVID vaccinations lead to better health outcomes. Not for EVERY person, of course! But overall, across a nation and around the globe, there is no doubt (except among those unwilling to accept facts) that vaccines save lives and reduce rates of COVID transmission, serious illness, and death.
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Keep defending the official stories of what the "ex-perts" claim or have claimed at various times with seemingly ever changing stories ....
Btw, such stories might be necessary now because we are dealing with NOT PROPERLY LONGTERM tested injections ... actually, the current "vaccination waves" sort of equal what normally happened in years 2-4 of testing (tests with human candidates, etc.), they are essentially human tests in a live situation with live §§§profits rather than §§§expenses for big pharma.
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Then this should be a good test. I am not seeing many people dying of the vaccine. Perhaps they will all die later. I bet they will.
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My Dear @Bill_Coley,
Here, we go again, expressing a by-gone (3 months) of personal "frustration" " of why you can't "respond" to the content of my ( @C Mc ) posts. Let me say at the outset, there's the likelihood that nothing I say below would cause you to move from your hardened silo position given you're an older man, seemingly set in your ways, and demands to have your way, regardless of the bigger good to be had. Given the high level of low testosterone ("a lack of focus, irritability, and depression") in these forums, your disagreeableness is subject to prevail. You say, why share? My hope is in the Higher Power and appeals to "your better angel."
Tell me, @Bill_Coley, much every thread be soiled with your "dog-whistle" message? What do you hope to accomplish with your repetitive declaration? Is it to encourage others to adopt your little girl in the school-yard tactics? You're saying other posters don't have any principles or standards for responding to fellow posters who don't respond at the time and way you want? Do you want other posters to adopt quasi-bullying tactics? If every poster were like you, what kind of forum would CD be?
"...not to respond... going forward."
This is equivalent to saying I am "more" or "so" important; it should shut down when I can't have my way with others' posters' pattern on CD. Like it or not, this is what you're saying in essence. If everyone were to adopt your so-called principle, in my view, it is childish and unproductive to the will, efforts, desires of Chairman Jan and others. We are trying to build CD and encourage others to spend time in these forums to the glory of God. Why do you seem to be so contrary to these objectives? Can you genuinely say your stance is helpful and productive?
Is my posting pattern an idea? Am I my posting pattern? Are you criticizing me (@C Mc )? I find it appalling that you think the "avoidance approach" is the accepted way to deal with your frustration. This method does nothing in helping you resolve an apparent conflict with my pattern of posting. Avoidance is not healthy for sustaining positive relationships. Just because I don't respond to you when you demand it doesn't mean I avoid you. Who are you, and what authority do you have to evaluate anyone posting habits? This, in my view, "end run" around the "criticize ideas and not people. "You're slick, but not enough to slide". Is there anything in the forum rules authorizing you or stating the necessity of evaluating a person's posting pattern? It behooves you to step back run in your lane. That is, quietly make your internal decisions and don't try to influence others (covertly, consciously, or unconsciously) to adopt a less effective method to satisfy your internal "frustration."
@Bill_Coley, where is your commitment to building CD, posts content, regardless of who made it, and to the Bible to enrich the vast silent readers? Have you no commitment or responsibility to the latter? In the real world, there will always be people who frustrate your best efforts. Your stated behavior moving forward is the best way? This doesn't speak well of one who demonstrates reasonable debating skill, "a man-of-the-cloth" (Pastor), and an adult.
May I encourage you to put forth, moving forward, tremendous energy and efforts in getting over your "frustration," not allowing this insidiousness to imprison and poison your soul? I will see you around the forums responding to ALL POSTS. That's the Jesus way. CM
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@C Mc posted:
Tell me, @Bill_Coley, much every thread be soiled with your "dog-whistle" message? What do you hope to accomplish with your repetitive declaration? Is it to encourage others to adopt your little girl in the school-yard tactics? You're saying other posters don't have any principles or standards for responding to fellow posters who don't respond at the time and way you want? Do you want other posters to adopt quasi-bullying tactics? If every poster were like you, what kind of forum would CD be?
There's been no "dog whistle" to my message, CM. I've been direct and clear: If I take the time to reply when in a thread you call me out by name - in the cases to which I've referred, usually in the form of a challenge to defend my positions on given matters in light of information to which you quoted and/or linked - I expect you to respond to my reply. You're OF COURSE free not to respond (as has almost always been your choice!), but if you so choose, I will choose not to reply to your challenges.
Bottom Line: You choose not to reply to the questions or other content of my posts to you. I choose not to reply to the questions or other content of your posts to me. Those two choices sound roughly the same to me. Do they sound roughly the same to you? If they do sound roughly the same to you, then I don't understand the following components of your most recent reply:
- "...your little girl in the school-yard tactics"
- "quasi-bullying tactics"
- "demands to have your way, regardless of the bigger good to be had"
- "equivalent to saying I am "more" or "so" important; it should shut down when I can't have my way with others' posters' pattern on CD"
- " it is childish and unproductive to the will, efforts, desires of Chairman Jan and others"
- "you think the "avoidance approach" is the accepted way to deal with your frustration"
- "Avoidance is not healthy for sustaining positive relationships"
- "Who are you, and what authority do you have to evaluate anyone posting habits?"
- "'end run' around the "criticize ideas and not people"
- "You're slick, but not enough to slide"
- "anything in the forum rules authorizing you or stating the necessity of evaluating a person's posting pattern?"
- "where is your commitment to building CD, posts content, regardless of who made it, and to the Bible to enrich the vast silent readers?"
- "In the real world, there will always be people who frustrate your best efforts"
- "This doesn't speak well of one who demonstrates reasonable debating skill, "a man-of-the-cloth" (Pastor), and an adult."
- "put forth, moving forward, tremendous energy and efforts in getting over your "frustration," not allowing this insidiousness to imprison and poison your soul?"
All that just because I quoted four sentences from a July 24 post in which I informed you of my decision not to reply when you call me out by name? Seriously? All that because I've adopted an approach to your posts to me that you have LONG PRACTICED as your approach to my posts to you? For literally years, CM, you haven't responded to my posts - haven't even MENTIONED them! Your practice has been okay - "slick enough to slide"! - but my practice has not been? Or have my "little girl in the school yard tactics" been solely in the reminders of my practice that I've posted? Is it the case that you think it's okay that I don't reply to your posts (since you don't reply to mine) but I just shouldn't remind you that I'm not replying to your posts? If that's the issue, please say so and I will gladly stop the reminders, and allow my silence to be my reply when in the future you call me out by name.
I will see you around the forums responding to ALL POSTS. That's the Jesus way.
Had you responded to "ALL POSTS" over the last couple of years, you would have responded to MY POSTS TO YOU over the last couple of years. And had THAT been the case, we wouldn't be having this current exchange. But over the last couple of years you've chosen - as has ALWAYS been your right - NOT to respond to "ALL POSTS," at least not to mine. Please allow me to make the same choice.
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It will be a while ... perhaps a long while ... until the regime will no longer be able to hide numbers of vaccinated with side effects and/or vaccine related deaths. The vaccine industry has figured out a way how just about nothing bad happening due to vaccination is attributed to vaccine as cause .... always something else is blamed as cause of problems or deaths.
Sample: There are known cases of supposedly vaccine protected persons getting infected with Covid and requiring treatment in ICU etc .... how can that be?? Straight answer => the vaccine is actually ineffective!! Pharma regime excuse => unexpected "break through", due to new virus variant ... Note => with "new variant" there will be an endless chain of profit making ("robbing") with "variant vaccines", "booster shots", etc.
But the population at large has been well "educated" to listen to the "white coat experts" serving as Corona ideology high priests.
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@Wolfgang posted:
Keep defending the official stories of what the "ex-perts" claim or have claimed at various times with seemingly ever changing stories ....
When in THIS POST you used a table of data from an official UK government report as support for one of your claims, were you "defending the official stories of what the 'ex-perts' claim or have claimed at various times with seemingly ever changing stories"?
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@Truth posted:
Then this should be a good test. I am not seeing many people dying of the vaccine. Perhaps they will all die later. I bet they will.
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I think you're right. I know I'm fully vaccinated - including, as of yesterday, the flu vaccine - and I expect to die later. I know a lot of people who expect to die later. In fact, almost all of the people I know expect to die later, and most of them are fully vaccinated. It's all pretty obvious, if you think about it.
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More of the same, "manipulative communication." You seem to miss the questions in my last post. For a man of your intelligence, this is sad by anyone's standards. If you intended to press the reset button, my questions in my last post were:
- Tell me, @Bill_Coley, must every thread be soiled with your "dog-whistle" message?
- What do you hope to accomplish with your repetitive declaration?
- Is it to encourage others to adopt your little girl in the school-yard tactics?
- You're saying other posters don't have any principles or standards for responding to fellow posters who don't respond at the time and way you want?
- Do you want other posters to adopt quasi-bullying tactics?
- If every poster were like you, what kind of forum would CD be?
- We are trying to build CD and encourage others to spend time in these forums to the glory of God. Why do you seem to be so contrary to these objectives?
- Can you genuinely say your stance is helpful and productive?
- Is my posting pattern an idea? Am I my posting pattern? Are you criticizing me (@C Mc )?
- Who are you, and what authority do you have to evaluate anyone posting habits?
- @Bill_Coley, where is your commitment to building CD, posts content, regardless of who made it, and to the Bible to enrich the vast silent readers?
- Have you no commitment or responsibility to the latter?
I and others would like to know, moving forward, so we wouldn't come back to this point in the future. The questions are necessary and legitimate, given what you called "LONG PRACTICED" of not responding to you. Let's stop with "Meta-communication" start communicating. CM
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@C Mc posted:
If you intended to press the reset button, my questions in my last post were:
I did not and do not intend to press the reset button. I intended to remind you of the basis for my refusal to respond when in threads you call me out by name, and to express my surprise at the quantity of personal invective you included in your previous post.
I and others would like to know, moving forward, so we wouldn't come back to this point in the future. The questions are necessary and legitimate, given what you called "LONG PRACTICED" of not responding to you. Let's stop with "Meta-communication" start communicating.
We won't come back to this matter again because, as I am now committing to you and our fellow CD posters, I will never again remind you of my decision not to respond when in threads you call me out by name. I erred when I did so yesterday and I apologize for my mistake. Going forward, I will continue not to respond when in threads you call me out by name, but I will offer no explanatory or reminder posts. Instead, I will hope that you will remember that my silence in response to your calls-out is an intentional product of the decision about which I reminded you in yesterday's errant post. And to protect against another senseless firestorm such as this current one, if in the future you ask why I've not responded to one of your calls-out, I will also remain silent rather than remind you of my decision.
As for your questions, while I consider them to be petty and juvenile, I will quickly address them, and bring my part in this exchange to an end:
Tell me, must every thread be soiled with your "dog-whistle" message?
No.
What do you hope to accomplish with your repetitive declaration?
To remind you of my decision not to respond when in threads you call me out by name.
Is it to encourage others to adopt your little girl in the school-yard tactics?
No.
You're saying other posters don't have any principles or standards for responding to fellow posters who don't respond at the time and way you want?
No.
Do you want other posters to adopt quasi-bullying tactics?
No.
If every poster were like you, what kind of forum would CD be?
That's hard to predict, but one thing's for sure: All posters would respond when the posters they called-out by name in threads responded to their calls-out.
We are trying to build CD and encourage others to spend time in these forums to the glory of God. Why do you seem to be so contrary to these objectives?
I don't oppose those objectives. I don't know why I "seem to be so contrary" to them. You might ask yourself that question since it is to you that I apparently "seem" to oppose them.
Can you genuinely say your stance is helpful and productive?
Yes.
Is my posting pattern an idea? Am I my posting pattern? Are you criticizing me (@C Mc )?
In a sense, your practice of calling me out, then refusing to acknowledge, let alone engage, my responses to your calls-out reflects your ideas about proper forum exchanges. You apparently believe that it is acceptable forum practice to call people out, but then to remain silent if they respond. I have been and remain critical of that belief of yours, as well as your implementation of it. Therefore, I am criticizing your belief and practice, but not you personally.
Who are you, and what authority do you have to evaluate anyone posting habits?
I have the same authority to evaluate my and others' "posting habits" as you do to call my posting habits in this exchange "little girl in the school-yard tactics," "quasi-bullying tactics," "childish and unproductive to the will, efforts, desires of Chairman Jan and others," or "slick, but not enough to slide."
Where is your commitment to building CD, posts content, regardless of who made it, and to the Bible to enrich the vast silent readers?
Have you no commitment or responsibility to the latter?
My commitment and responsibility to these forums are right where they've always been for the nearly 2,500 posts I created here.
Let's stop with "Meta-communication" start communicating.
On this matter, I am now done "communicating."
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Note that the article mentions various sources beyond PCR himself and his own thoughts (often deemed conspiracy theories by folks here)
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I acknowledged you responded, to my questions from a previous post, albeit reluctantly. The quality of your answers, I will remain silent at this point. Since you "do not intend to press the reset button," only to "remind" and to affirm "...never again remind you [ @C Mc ] of my [ @Bill_Coley ] decision not to respond when in threads you [ @C Mc ] call me [ @Bill_Coley ] out by name". Wasn't a grand opportunity missed? You concluded with "...I am now done "communicating." Wow!
In light of CD years in existence, I am compelled to quote Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities:
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair."
In my quest to be sincere to my sentiments and get beyond an apparent impasse of exchanges, you appeared to be hurt. I am sorry. I didn't mean to upset you so much. I guess we have all yet to learn how to balance our sincere expressions without causing pain to another.
Because of this, an American actor, voice actor, writer who is known for playing Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars film series, Mark Hamill's words come to mind: "Everything has changed but nothing has changed."
@Bill_Coley, what can I do to make it up to you? CM
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@Wolfgang posted:
Note that the article mentions various sources beyond PCR himself and his own thoughts (often deemed conspiracy theories by folks here)
That people quote sources beyond themselves offers no assurance of the credibility or expertise of those sources. In Mr. Roberts' case, he concludes his piece with a link to the same falsehood-laden article to which you linked the other day, Wolfgang - the one whose author reported the global COVID death toll to be 1,061,539, but attached to the total a hyperlink to a source that reported the toll to be 4,974,703. High quality journalism it was.
I have neither the time nor the interest in debunking the several errors in Mr. Roberts' piece, but the "conspiracy theory" label easily attaches not only to Mr. Roberts' work, but also to the work of the sources he employs. Birds of a feather....
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Is such also just "conspiracy theory" ????
I guess for some it is ... no matter how many such cases are reported ... these blood clots of course have nothing to do with injection received ...😉
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Two days after Danielle Salisbury died from blood clots from Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the FDA & CDC lifted recommended pause
CDC has Vaccine definition
Vaccine:
A suspension of live (usually attenuated) or inactivated microorganisms (e.g. bacteria or viruses) or fractions thereof administered to induce immunity and prevent infectious diseases and their sequelae. Some vaccines contain highly defined antigens (e.g., the polysaccharide of Haemophilus influenzae type b or the surface antigen of hepatitis B); others have antigens that are complex or incompletely defined (e.g. Bordetella pertussis antigens or live attenuated viruses).
CDC COVID-19 "Vaccine" facts:
Is the mRNA vaccine considered a vaccine?
Yes. mRNA vaccines, such as Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, work differently than other types of vaccines, but they still trigger an immune response inside your body. This type of vaccine is new, but research and development on it has been under way for decades.
The mRNA vaccines do not contain any live virus. Instead, they work by teaching our cells to make a harmless piece of a “spike protein,” which is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. After making the protein piece, cells display it on their surface. Our immune system then recognizes that it does not belong there and responds to get rid of it. When an immune response begins, antibodies are produced, creating the same response that happens in a natural infection.
In contrast to mRNA vaccines, many other vaccines use a piece of, or weakened version of, the germ that the vaccine protects against. This is how the measles and flu vaccines work. When a weakened or small part of the virus is introduced to your body, you make antibodies to help protect against future infection.
"The durability of immunity against reinfection by SARS-Cov-2: a comparative evolutionary study"
Methods summary mentions natural immunity (recovery from COVID illness) has three antibody components against COVID: "nucleocapsid protein, spike protein, and whole-virus lysate IgG". In contrast is mRNA "vaccine" only producing spike proteins (in a way that is different from natural infection).
Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has a documented "underreporting" issue
Humanly wonder about magnitude of VAERS "underreporting" (am aware of people dying from COVID & "vaccine" with many surviving "vaccination"). Disturbed by "vaccine" breakthrough trend of increasing sickness as time elapses (with various ups & downs along the way).
State of Illinois shows 818 deaths from COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough as of 27 Oct 2021
while COVID-19 deaths as of 27 Oct 2021 are 25,707 with 2,843 probable deaths
Noticed most of the Illinois COVID-19 breakthrough deaths were over age 65.
🙏Praying for God's Holy Healing in all life domains for many people, knowing God chooses who, what, & when to miraculously heal. 🙏❤️
Keep Smiling 😊
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@Keep_Smiling_4_Jesus .... some will simply say that such are not facts and not "scientifically proven as caused by vaccine".
Sure ... the real problem is that NO BENEFITS of vaccines have actually been really proven either ... "vaccines" supposedly are given in advance of sickness to protect healthy persons and prohibit certain sicness or disease, the pharma fans then claim, that all who don't get sick do so because of the vaccine. But, dudes, how do you know? how come many non-vaccinated persons also don't get sick ?
Actually, if one vaccinated person suffers from the sickness against which the vaccine supposedly protects, it is PROOF that the vaccine is ineffective as regards protection. In addition, injecting sickness micro parts into a healthy body organism is - by plain logic - weakening the body's natural and God designed defense / immunity system.
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Scribd has a 28 Sep 2021 weekly update (Period of study: January - August 21, 2021)
Study of 20 million Medicare beneficiaries with 16 million over age 65 includes 5.6 million fully vaccinated. Magnitude of breakthrough hospitilizations surprised me. Humanly wonder how many funerals will happen shortly after "vaccinated" family holiday gatherings this year (especially in families having Medicare beneficiaries, remembering some news stories about some unvaccinated families having sad COVID deaths following some gatherings).
Conspiracy possibility is economic motivation for "vaccine" plandemic (reduce population receiving Social Security & Medicare):
Concur with sadness as awareness of cancel culture censorship increases in America => 2021 Is 1984 – Our Liberties And Freedoms Are Being Ripped Away From Us And America Is Almost Gone
Primary multimedia news agency: Reuters has World section for "The Great Reboot" that includes many COVID articles.
One tactic of our spiritual adversary, the father of lies, is hiding things in plain sight. One world "government" could change how people live thier lives, which is happening with "vaccine" mandates, lockdowns, and passports.
FWIW: my prayers 🙏 about "vaccination" lack God's peace for me (lack desire to find out why: suspect my body reaction to being jabbed would be like Pastor John Baker who died soon after receiving a "vaccine", which has puzzling death certificate for a fall being the cause of death).
Keep Smiling 😊
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@Wolfgang posted:
Is such also just "conspiracy theory" ????
I guess for some it is ... no matter how many such cases are reported ... these blood clots of course have nothing to do with injection received ...
A reading of the article to which you linked and a five minute Google search led me to information about Ms. Knowles and her condition that you did not include in your post, Wolfgang:
- The claim that her portal vein thrombosis (PVT) was caused by the Pfizer vaccine has not been proven. As of now, PVT is NOT recognized as a possible complication of the Pfizer vaccine. She, her family, and their supporters are welcome to make the claim, but making a claim is not the same as proving a claim.
- In a disclaimer identified by an asterisk on the page reporting Ms. Knowles' story, the site to which you linked says this (emphasis added): "Although it is our firm belief that most or all of the deaths and injuries recorded on this website are attributable to COVID-19 vaccines, whether in whole or in part, we acknowledge that this may not be true in all cases. We do not claim with certainty that any particular death or injury described on this website is a attributable to COVID-19 vaccines."
- According to THIS STUDY, the relative risk of PVT in persons who have received an mRNA COVID vaccine such as Pfizer's is 7.40 in a million (1 in 135,135), or 0.00074%. According to THIS SITE, we all face a 0.00072% chance of eventually dying by a lightning strike (1 in 138,849). Should we never go outside again?
The larger problem with your argument, Wolfgang, is that you rely on anecdotal evidence for your claims, rather than scientific data. The result is a series of one-off posts highlighting the experience of this one person or that one person - experiences that may or may not be related to a COVID vaccine - but no recognition of the experiences of the hundreds of millions of people, such as I and about everybody I know, who have been fully COVID vaccinated without issue.
The most recent example of what I have to believe is your intentional blind eye toward the statistical realities of the vaccines is the fact that in an October 23 post, you employed a table of data from a report from the UK Health Agency to bolster your claim that "Adults above 30 have higher risk of Covid if they have received a "double dose" .... statistics expose the "vaccination protection" lie." In my response to your post, I posted three charts from the VERY SAME report from which you drew your table, charts which showed that in EVERY age group, rates of hospitalization and death are MUCH lower for vaccinated persons than they are for unvaccinated persons. In three different posts I've asked you about those charts - from the report YOU employed! - but you have yet even to acknowledge the existence of my questions.
Why do you grant so much standing to anecdotal reports of no better than possible evidence of issues with the vaccines, but refuse even to mention the experience of literally hundreds of millions of people who have been vaccinated without issue and, according to study after study after study after study, fare MUCH better than unvaccinated persons when it comes to COVID-related serious illness or death? If hundreds of millions of people had experienced dangerous side effects of vaccines, I guarantee you would have mentioned it... every day! But because hundreds of millions of people have experienced NO side effects, you refuse even to mention their outcomes, even when data about their outcomes are included in a study that YOU cited!
That's the essential emptiness of your views, Wolfgang; it's ALWAYS been the essential emptiness of your views about COVID. You accept the anecdotal as evidence, though it has no statistical meaning (recall your reference to "two middle age persons"), but refuse to acknowledge the significance of countless scientific studies whose conclusions are borne out by the experience of hundreds of millions of vaccinated people. Why? I assume because your conclusion about COVID vaccines determines the evidence you're willing to consider. The correct practice is to allow evidence to determine our conclusions, but since in this case the evidence doesn't support your conclusion about COVID, you choose to ignore or diminish the science and rely on the anecdotal.
The DATA (not the anecdotes) show that your claims are patently false. Of that, there is NO doubt.
[Having satisfied my need on occasion to remind you and other CD posters that on matters of politics and social policy, you post falsehood after falsehood after falsehood after falsehood, Wolfgang, I resume my vacation from exchanges with you on such matters. I'm as confident that I will return to debunk more of your falsehoods within several weeks or a few months as I am that you will continue to rely on anecdotal evidence to "prove" your claims. So until next time....]
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The claim that her portal vein thrombosis (PVT) was caused by the Pfizer vaccine has not been proven. As of now, PVT is NOT recognized as a possible complication of the Pfizer vaccine. She, her family, and their supporters are welcome to make the claim, but making a claim is not the same as proving a claim.
Just as I wrote ... 😉
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A little more info first hand ?
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Folks ... nothing has everything to do with nothing!!!
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