Heartless America!
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"Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red and yellow
Black and white
They are precious in His sight.
Jesus loves the little children
Of the world".
There are some 500 Children held against their will away from there parents. We want the Users of CD to say a prayer for the little-imprisoned ones. Republicans, do the right thing, for God's sake. CM
-- This famous children’s hymn was written by C. Herbert Woolston (1856—1927). The tune for the hymn was composed by George F. Root and originally had the title “Tramp, Tramp, Tramp, the Boys Are Marching.”
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@C_M_ said:
"Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red and yellow
Black and white
They are precious in His sight.
Jesus loves the little children
Of the world".
There are some 500 Children held against their will away from there parents. We want the Users of CD to say a prayer for the little-imprisoned ones. Republicans, do the right thing, for God's sake. CM
-- This famous children’s hymn was written by C. Herbert Woolston (1856—1927). The tune for the hymn was composed by George F. Root and originally had the title “Tramp, Tramp, Tramp, the Boys Are Marching.”
Who says we aren't praying for them? But that doesn't change the situation.
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@Big_Snort_
If you believe that, why don't you actually get up and go do something? Until then, you are a horn poofing into the wind, a discordant tinkling cymbal and nothing more. Yet, there is a kind of person who will continue anyway. Such is the world. -
To whom are you addressing? CM
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Wisdom for all. If the shoe fits...
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Beating the air.
Oh, wind, how fresh are your breeze;
While the discontent of men, just stir up leaves. --CM -
Is America against families? CM
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@C_M_ said:
Is America against families? CMNope, not at all
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Hold on. Check the US and the Trump Administration's attitude toward "People of Color" (non-white Anglo) families. CM
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@C_M_ said:
Hold on. Check the US and the Trump Administration's attitude toward "People of Color" (non-white Anglo) families. CMUm, do enlighten us...
Because African American unemployment is at its lowest and African American support for Trump is steadily rising....
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@reformed said:
Um, do enlighten us...
Because African American unemployment is at its lowest and African American support for Trump is steadily rising....
Lots of heads turned in response to a recent Rasmussen Poll that reported 36% approval Trump among African Americans. As you would say, reformed, "anyone with half a brain" knows that Rasmussen polls skew to the political right. Little could be more true in this case.
Look at OTHER poll results regarding Trump's favorables among African Americans. 36%? Not exactly.
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@Bill_Coley said:
@reformed said:
Um, do enlighten us...
Because African American unemployment is at its lowest and African American support for Trump is steadily rising....
Lots of heads turned in response to a recent Rasmussen Poll that reported 36% approval Trump among African Americans. As you would say, reformed, "anyone with half a brain" knows that Rasmussen polls skew to the political right. Little could be more true in this case.
Look at OTHER poll results regarding Trump's favorables among African Americans. 36%? Not exactly.
Of course those go to the left leaning polls.
Which, by the way, the left leaning polls were the ones that were shocked on Election night 2016 because they were WAY wrong. I believe Rasmussen was pretty close if I'm not mistaken...
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@reformed said:
Of course those go to the left leaning polls.
Which, by the way, the left leaning polls were the ones that were shocked on Election night 2016 because they were WAY wrong. I believe Rasmussen was pretty close if I'm not mistaken...
To take an average of polls, not any one poll, is my practice. No average of polls will produce Rasmussen's result.
As for 2016, the Real Clear Politics average for all national polls just before the election had Clinton with a 3.3% lead over Trump, with a 3-4% margin of error. In the final national popular vote, she won by 2.1% They missed it by 1.2%.
Of the 11 polls included in the RCP average, nine predicted Clinton's win within two points, one predicted Clinton, but missed by four points, and the eleventh predicted Trump by two, so also missed by four.
Rasmussen was in fact the closest (predicted a two point Clinton win), so kudos to them. But in the vast majority of polling, there is no statistical difference between a poll that predicts a two point win and one that predicts a four point win. Regardless, it is a baseless partisan talking point to say left-leaning polls were "way wrong" in their predictions about the 2016 presidential race; clearly, they were not.
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@Bill_Coley said:
@reformed said:
Of course those go to the left leaning polls.
Which, by the way, the left leaning polls were the ones that were shocked on Election night 2016 because they were WAY wrong. I believe Rasmussen was pretty close if I'm not mistaken...
To take an average of polls, not any one poll, is my practice. No average of polls will produce Rasmussen's result.
As for 2016, the Real Clear Politics average for all national polls just before the election had Clinton with a 3.3% lead over Trump, with a 3-4% margin of error. In the final national popular vote, she won by 2.1% They missed it by 1.2%.
Of the 11 polls included in the RCP average, nine predicted Clinton's win within two points, one predicted Clinton, but missed by four points, and the eleventh predicted Trump by two, so also missed by four.
Rasmussen was in fact the closest (predicted a two point Clinton win), so kudos to them. But in the vast majority of polling, there is no statistical difference between a poll that predicts a two point win and one that predicts a four point win. Regardless, it is a baseless partisan talking point to say left-leaning polls were "way wrong" in their predictions about the 2016 presidential race; clearly, they were not.
Except that they were, OBVIOUSLY. (and thank God!)
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@C_M_ said:
Hold on. Check the US and the Trump Administration's attitude toward "People of Color" (non-white Anglo) families. CMOops, I was not thinking so much of "African-Americans". Namely, Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, Arab-people, etc. I speak of treatment, words about, and respect. Also, what about women? This administration doesn't like them. CM
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@C_M_ said:
@C_M_ said:
Hold on. Check the US and the Trump Administration's attitude toward "People of Color" (non-white Anglo) families. CMOops, I was not thinking so much of "African-Americans". Namely, Asians, Hispanics, Native Americans, Arab-people, etc. I speak of treatment, words about, and respect. Also, what about women? This administration doesn't like them. CM
Proof?
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@reformed said:
Except that they were, OBVIOUSLY. (and thank God!)
No, they were NOT "way wrong."
Remember, the national polls tracked the national popular sentiment going into the election - basically, they predicted the outcome of the national popular vote. The national polls did NOT predict the outcome of the electoral college.
FOR WHAT THEY TRACKED - the national popular sentiment regarding the candidates - the RCP average of polls missed the final outcome by 1.2%, and nine of the average's eleven constituent polls missed the final difference between Trump and Clinton by two or fewer points (Clinton's actual popular vote margin was 2.1%; 9 of 11 RCP polls predicted a Clinton victory of 4% or less) The polls were "OBVIOUSLY" NOT "way wrong."
And one final reminder: As we have seen twice in the last five presidential elections, a candidate can win the popular vote - the thing national polls predict - and yet lose the electoral college vote. So those national polls that predicted a Clinton victory ONLY predicted a popular vote win; they did NOT predict the outcome of the electoral college, and hence canNOT be said to have been "way wrong" about the outcome of the election.
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@Bill_Coley said:
@reformed said:
Except that they were, OBVIOUSLY. (and thank God!)
No, they were NOT "way wrong."
Remember, the national polls tracked the national popular sentiment going into the election - basically, they predicted the outcome of the national popular vote. The national polls did NOT predict the outcome of the electoral college.
FOR WHAT THEY TRACKED - the national popular sentiment regarding the candidates - the RCP average of polls missed the final outcome by 1.2%, and nine of the average's eleven constituent polls missed the final difference between Trump and Clinton by two or fewer points (Clinton's actual popular vote margin was 2.1%; 9 of 11 RCP polls predicted a Clinton victory of 4% or less) The polls were "OBVIOUSLY" NOT "way wrong."
And one final reminder: As we have seen twice in the last five presidential elections, a candidate can win the popular vote - the thing national polls predict - and yet lose the electoral college vote. So those national polls that predicted a Clinton victory ONLY predicted a popular vote win; they did NOT predict the outcome of the electoral college, and hence canNOT be said to have been "way wrong" about the outcome of the election.
Then I guess national polls have no point.
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@reformed said:
Then I guess national polls have no point.
To say that the national polls had "no point" in 2016 is a VERY different claim than that they were "way wrong" in 2016.
In my view, national polls during presidential election campaigns serve a valuable advisory role, similar to that of approval polls during a president's term of office. Neither poll determines an outcome - neither elects or removes an office holder - but each provides a sense of the national mood about the candidates or president.
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@Bill_Coley said:
@reformed said:
Then I guess national polls have no point.
To say that the national polls had "no point" in 2016 is a VERY different claim than that they were "way wrong" in 2016.
In my view, national polls during presidential election campaigns serve a valuable advisory role, similar to that of approval polls during a president's term of office. Neither poll determines an outcome - neither elects or removes an office holder - but each provides a sense of the national mood about the candidates or president.
Yeah but if you are tracking the wrong thing that has no bearing what is the point?
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@reformed said:
Yeah but if you are tracking the wrong thing that has no bearing what is the point?
What's the point of presidential approval polls? They don't elect anyone or throw anyone out of office. Yet in THIS POST, you called our attention to one:
"Headline from that article reads: 'DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING 5 POINTS HIGHER THAN BARACK OBAMA’S AT SAME POINT IN HIS PRESIDENCY: RASMUSSEN POLL'"
What's the point of ANY poll? To give information about the views of the population from which the sample comes. I think it's fair to say that to most politicos, where the nation stands with regard to the major party presidential candidates in a general election has some measure of bearing.
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@Bill_Coley said:
@reformed said:
Yeah but if you are tracking the wrong thing that has no bearing what is the point?
What's the point of presidential approval polls? They don't elect anyone or throw anyone out of office. Yet in THIS POST, you called our attention to one:
"Headline from that article reads: 'DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING 5 POINTS HIGHER THAN BARACK OBAMA’S AT SAME POINT IN HIS PRESIDENCY: RASMUSSEN POLL'"
What's the point of ANY poll? To give information about the views of the population from which the sample comes. I think it's fair to say that to most politicos, where the nation stands with regard to the major party presidential candidates in a general election has some measure of bearing.
Approval is not the same as election polls. There IS a point to approval.
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Hey, what about the children, here? CM
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@C_M_ said:
Hey, what about the children, here? CMIt's a shame they have criminal parents that put them in danger.
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Mr. Reformed,
Violation against the laws of the land or a personal offense against another; both, at the end, requires compassion and understanding. However, you will not hear of it. Sad!
What a re-enforcement of the OP ("Heartless America")! Your attitude epitomizes the thread. CM
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@C_M_ said:
Mr. Reformed,
Violation against the laws of the land or a personal offense against another; both, at the end, requires compassion and understanding. However, you will not hear of it. Sad!
What a re-enforcement of the OP ("Heartless America")! Your attitude epitomizes the thread. CM
No, heartless are the parents that intentionally break the law and force consequences and unnecessary situations on their families.
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Another day and the children are still separated from their parents. More children are being added. Is this America's new slave trade? Plans are being drawn up to expand the tent jails into Family Interment Compounds. A world within a world. Isolation and conditioning. America did it before. Don't let her return to the past. If this goes through, God is going to bring America to her knees. CM
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- God pleads with America to go to her knees in prayer.
- Some Americans go to their knees before God. God keeps His word, raises up a new President and blesses America
- Some Americans turn their back on God and kneel in disrespect to America. God blesses America for those whose hearts were authentic, who kneeled before Him in contrition rather than mockery.
- John McNaughton captures all this one on amazing work of art.
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GaoLu,
Under a clean or dirty flag, the children are still in cages (Texas). John McNaughton and his works are out of context here. He's a nice artist, but it's one more distraction from America's shame, separating children from their parents.GaoLu, America's failure is not with God, it's with the people. God is ever speaking, but America and Americans are seldom listening.
GaoLu said: "God pleads with America to go to her knees in prayer. Some Americans go to their knees before God..."
Many are praying, but to whom? Too many Americans, led by the President, seems to misunderstand the word, P-R-A-Y for "P-R-E-Y". CM
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@C_M_ said:
GaoLu,
Under a clean or dirty flag, the children are still in cages (Texas). John McNaughton and his works are out of context here. He's a nice artist, but it's one more distraction from America's shame, separating children from their parents.GaoLu, America's failure is not with God, it's with the people. God is ever speaking, but America and Americans are seldom listening.
GaoLu said: "God pleads with America to go to her knees in prayer. Some Americans go to their knees before God..."
Many are praying, but to whom? Too many Americans, led by the President, seems to misunderstand the word, P-R-A-Y for "P-R-E-Y". CM
They are not in cages. Good grief.
