The Kingdom of God
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Digestive decay is not because of sin. Bodily death and decay is.
So you speak only of any process specific to a body that is dead, and only other than Jesus. Something miraculous, or a paranormal biology. I think I understand what you are saying now.
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Jesus was sinless. He only died because they murdered him because of his righteousness. When he said "it is finished" he had fully satisfied God's wrath, shedding the last drop of blood his heart could provide. He had literally loved God to the point of death with all his body, soul, and strength. And his enemy neighbor for whom he died, as himself. His entombment proved his death, but his body not suffering decay, and his resurrection proved his sinlessness and acceptance by God of his sacrifice.
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@Dave_L That is a beautiful thought, well articulated. Thanks. Should it be off plumb with a few details, the overall message is truly beautiful. Thanks again for sharing.
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Thanks for your response.
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The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
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@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
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@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
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@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CM -
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
I have finally picked up on that from other threads as well.
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@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
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@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
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@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
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@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
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@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
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@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
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@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
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@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
If it is preserved in certain ways I absolutely would eat it after 72 hours. Not that raw meat purchased from a market and a body are the same thing and not that it is even relevant to the conversation.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
No, absolutely not.
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
None of that says his body was not capable of decay.
@Wolfgang said:
@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
This is rare @Wolfgang but we are in agreement
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@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
If it is preserved in certain ways I absolutely would eat it after 72 hours. Not that raw meat purchased from a market and a body are the same thing and not that it is even relevant to the conversation.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
No, absolutely not.
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
None of that says his body was not capable of decay.
@Wolfgang said:
@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
This is rare @Wolfgang but we are in agreement
Thanks for chiming in and inadvertently lending support for my position....
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@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
If it is preserved in certain ways I absolutely would eat it after 72 hours. Not that raw meat purchased from a market and a body are the same thing and not that it is even relevant to the conversation.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
No, absolutely not.
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
None of that says his body was not capable of decay.
@Wolfgang said:
@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
This is rare @Wolfgang but we are in agreement
Thanks for chiming in and inadvertently lending support for my position....
Who here supported your position?
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@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
If it is preserved in certain ways I absolutely would eat it after 72 hours. Not that raw meat purchased from a market and a body are the same thing and not that it is even relevant to the conversation.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
No, absolutely not.
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
None of that says his body was not capable of decay.
@Wolfgang said:
@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
This is rare @Wolfgang but we are in agreement
Thanks for chiming in and inadvertently lending support for my position....
Who here supported your position?
I believe you and Wolfgang are providing a backdrop against which I can present contrasting views. This is why I said "inadvertently" while claiming his support.
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@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
If it is preserved in certain ways I absolutely would eat it after 72 hours. Not that raw meat purchased from a market and a body are the same thing and not that it is even relevant to the conversation.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
No, absolutely not.
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
None of that says his body was not capable of decay.
@Wolfgang said:
@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
This is rare @Wolfgang but we are in agreement
Thanks for chiming in and inadvertently lending support for my position....
Who here supported your position?
I believe you and Wolfgang are providing a backdrop against which I can present contrasting views. This is why I said "inadvertently" while claiming his support.
By all means do try.... But @Wolfgang is correct, your theology is nonsense and you ignore a basic fact that Jesus was not in the grave long enough for his body to decay.
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@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
If it is preserved in certain ways I absolutely would eat it after 72 hours. Not that raw meat purchased from a market and a body are the same thing and not that it is even relevant to the conversation.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
No, absolutely not.
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
None of that says his body was not capable of decay.
@Wolfgang said:
@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
This is rare @Wolfgang but we are in agreement
Thanks for chiming in and inadvertently lending support for my position....
Who here supported your position?
I believe you and Wolfgang are providing a backdrop against which I can present contrasting views. This is why I said "inadvertently" while claiming his support.
By all means do try.... But @Wolfgang is correct, your theology is nonsense and you ignore a basic fact that Jesus was not in the grave long enough for his body to decay.
This is not my theology, it is what Peter says without reading ideas into it. Moreover it is the position of the Westminster Divines quoted earlier.
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@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
If it is preserved in certain ways I absolutely would eat it after 72 hours. Not that raw meat purchased from a market and a body are the same thing and not that it is even relevant to the conversation.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
No, absolutely not.
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
None of that says his body was not capable of decay.
@Wolfgang said:
@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
This is rare @Wolfgang but we are in agreement
Thanks for chiming in and inadvertently lending support for my position....
Who here supported your position?
I believe you and Wolfgang are providing a backdrop against which I can present contrasting views. This is why I said "inadvertently" while claiming his support.
By all means do try.... But @Wolfgang is correct, your theology is nonsense and you ignore a basic fact that Jesus was not in the grave long enough for his body to decay.
This is not my theology, it is what Peter says without reading ideas into it. Moreover it is the position of the Westminster Divines quoted earlier.
Except that is not what Peter said. You are reading ideas into it. Nowhere does Peter say that the body was not capable of decay but was raised and therefore did not go through decay.
And no, you got that from a commentary on Westminister, and also misread it as well.
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Dave,
What is your plain reading and exegetical outlay of Heb. 4:13-16 (KJV)? No rush, take your time. Please consider the context. CM -
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
The problem is that @Dave_L is making Christ out to be something other than human.
Not at all. Jesus was God as far as his person. With a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. You are making him out to be a sinner if you think his body did not decay only because of time. And worse, you are reading into Peter's words.
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
Also, you have to look at it from the original audience. Did they think Jesus body could decay? Yes, they did. Otherwise, they would not have gone through the burial process with spices etc.
There are too many reasons why you are wrong. Everything from Lazarus's body emitting a foul odor in 4 days time before Jesus raised him from the dead. To Jonah's supernatural preservation in the belly of the whale by God, that Jesus used to illustrate his entombment.
4 days are a lot different than 3 as I have already shown in various links. How does Jonah play into this?
Jesus became forever God in human flesh at his incarnation and remains eternally so. How could God's body rot if it is eternal?
How could God's body die? It did last time I checked. Surely you believe Christ did die?
Paul says the wages of sin is death and Jesus did not die because he was sinful. Had he been, his body would have rotted and remained entombed.
Many would argue that refers to eternal death, not physical death, which of course we know is not the end. That being said, he still died. You are either dead or you are not. You can't have it both ways Dave. So you are saying Christ died but his body did not die? That makes no sense at all.
This is from a fun "Christian flash cards site" You might enjoy.
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?
Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
https://quizlet.com/22187844/religion-ch6-new-testament-flash-cards/
A quiz site that has no references or sources, no thanks.
Also @Dave_L you did not answer my last post which I will quote below:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@C_M_ said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
No. You are reading things that are not there. The world was cursed, sin touched every earthly thing. Jesus did not sin but that doesn't mean he did not feel the impact of sin. Did he work? Did he experience pain? Did he bleed? The answer to all of those is yes.
“Therefore he also says in another psalm, ‘You will not permit your Holy One to experience decay.’For David, after he had served God’s purpose in his own generation, died, was buried with his ancestors, and experienced decay, but the one whom God raised up did not experience decay. Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,” (Acts 13:35–38)
Once again, did not experience it. It does not say he could not experience it. Just that he did not. The point of this is to point out that he rose from the grave. It is about time.
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need" (Heb. 4:13-16 KJV). More needs to be said? CMAh excellent find!
@Dave_L what do you make of that verse?
There's only 1 second difference between 4 days and 3 days. Would you feed your family on beef that went unrefrigerated for 72 hours? What would any Health Department think of an establishment such as this?
Why do people have their loved ones embalmed at time of death?
Please go back and answer my post.
We can both argue the decay rate of raw meat. But I'll bet you won't eat anything that has been unrefrigerated for 72 hours. And if Lazarus's body emitted foul odor in 4 days, it is safe to say it didn't wait that long.
If it is preserved in certain ways I absolutely would eat it after 72 hours. Not that raw meat purchased from a market and a body are the same thing and not that it is even relevant to the conversation.
You are unwittingly accusing Jesus of being a sinner if you think his body became subject to the wages of sin, which is death and decay. Here's J Campbell Morgan on the topic:
No, absolutely not.
"He did not see corruption. Peter in Pentecostal power declared, "It was not possible that He should be holden of it." The first fact in this identity of nature is that of eternal being. He will bow and bend to death and enter into its profound darkness and know its mystery, but He cannot be held of it. It is not correct to say merely that He triumphed over death by the way of the resurrection. Resurrection was necessary because of His nature. He was not deified by resurrection. He was raised because He was of the nature of God, and could not, holy One as He was, ever ultimately see corruption."
G. Campbell Morgan. (n.d.). Westminster Pulpit (Vol. 2).
Plus the Westminster Shorter Catechism:
Q. 45. Did he see corruption in the grave like other men?
A. No; being God’s Holy One, absolutely free from sin, his body could see no
corruption, Psalm 16:10.Westminster Assembly. SHORTER CATECHISM EXPLAINED.
None of that says his body was not capable of decay.
@Wolfgang said:
@Dave_L said:
why did jesus's body not decay in the tomb?Jesus' body did not decay because both his body and soul were linked to his divine person.
Oh dear oh dear ... theological non-sense replaces the rather simple truth that Jesus' body wasn't in the grave long enough to decay ... ??
This is rare @Wolfgang but we are in agreement
Thanks for chiming in and inadvertently lending support for my position....
Who here supported your position?
I believe you and Wolfgang are providing a backdrop against which I can present contrasting views. This is why I said "inadvertently" while claiming his support.
By all means do try.... But @Wolfgang is correct, your theology is nonsense and you ignore a basic fact that Jesus was not in the grave long enough for his body to decay.
This is not my theology, it is what Peter says without reading ideas into it. Moreover it is the position of the Westminster Divines quoted earlier.
Except that is not what Peter said. You are reading ideas into it. Nowhere does Peter say that the body was not capable of decay but was raised and therefore did not go through decay.
And no, you got that from a commentary on Westminister, and also misread it as well.
It all comes down to your saying Jesus was made of corruptible flesh instead of being made in the LIKENESS of corruptible flesh. And if the incorruptible Word became flesh, would not the flesh, it became, be incorruptible too?
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@C_M_ said:
Dave,
What is your plain reading and exegetical outlay of Heb. 4:13-16 (KJV)? No rush, take your time. Please consider the context. CM"tempted, yet without sin" is why Jesus' body was not subject to decay. In fact, Peter and Paul both imply it was so far removed from him, he would not even SEE it from a distance.
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@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
Dave,
What is your plain reading and exegetical outlay of Heb. 4:13-16 (KJV)? No rush, take your time. Please consider the context. CM"tempted, yet without sin" is why Jesus' body was not subject to decay. In fact, Peter and Paul both imply it was so far removed from him, he would not even SEE it from a distance.
No they didn't. Not once did they say that. They said he did not decay because he was raised.
You keep adding this in about not capable of decay. You have yet to show one shred of evidence that is true.
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@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
Dave,
What is your plain reading and exegetical outlay of Heb. 4:13-16 (KJV)? No rush, take your time. Please consider the context. CM"tempted, yet without sin" is why Jesus' body was not subject to decay. In fact, Peter and Paul both imply it was so far removed from him, he would not even SEE it from a distance.
No they didn't. Not once did they say that. They said he did not decay because he was raised.
You keep adding this in about not capable of decay. You have yet to show one shred of evidence that is true.
I already provided evidence. But I'll rephrase it: how can the incorruptible Word become corruptible flesh and still be the incorruptible Word that dwelt among us?
Also as I mentioned, Peter and Paul both said Jesus' body would not SEE corruption while in the tomb, let alone enter the first stages of decomposition.
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@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
Dave,
What is your plain reading and exegetical outlay of Heb. 4:13-16 (KJV)? No rush, take your time. Please consider the context. CM"tempted, yet without sin" is why Jesus' body was not subject to decay. In fact, Peter and Paul both imply it was so far removed from him, he would not even SEE it from a distance.
No they didn't. Not once did they say that. They said he did not decay because he was raised.
You keep adding this in about not capable of decay. You have yet to show one shred of evidence that is true.
I already provided evidence. But I'll rephrase it: how can the incorruptible Word become corruptible flesh and still be the incorruptible Word that dwelt among us?
The same way he was able to become human and die in the first place.
Also as I mentioned, Peter and Paul both said Jesus' body would not SEE corruption while in the tomb, let alone enter the first stages of decomposition.
Yes, which does not support your claim of not being capable of decomposition.
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@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@davidtaylorjr said:
@Dave_L said:
@C_M_ said:
Dave,
What is your plain reading and exegetical outlay of Heb. 4:13-16 (KJV)? No rush, take your time. Please consider the context. CM"tempted, yet without sin" is why Jesus' body was not subject to decay. In fact, Peter and Paul both imply it was so far removed from him, he would not even SEE it from a distance.
No they didn't. Not once did they say that. They said he did not decay because he was raised.
You keep adding this in about not capable of decay. You have yet to show one shred of evidence that is true.
I already provided evidence. But I'll rephrase it: how can the incorruptible Word become corruptible flesh and still be the incorruptible Word that dwelt among us?
The same way he was able to become human and die in the first place.
Also as I mentioned, Peter and Paul both said Jesus' body would not SEE corruption while in the tomb, let alone enter the first stages of decomposition.
Yes, which does not support your claim of not being capable of decomposition.
If Peter and Paul quote and interpret David saying Jesus' body saw no decay, it means exactly that. None of the three say anything about time being the reason. The fact is, Jesus is the incorruptible Word of God which also means exactly that. None of him, body, soul and Spirit were ever subject to corruption also called decay.
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